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Old 03-07-2020, 11:00 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Originally Posted by CTMountaineer View Post
I don't know, maybe you have a different map up there? An attack from the West would have to pass northern Alaska to get to Canada's uninhabited sub arctic region in the Arctic Ocean. Nearly all of Canada's population is predictably located near your southern border. The vast majority of your country is both unpopulated and defended only by NORAD.

https://i.insider.com/592892ea79474c1d008b4c61

Yeah, looking at your map of the Arctic (btw, that map looks oddly like something from a video game) it's obvious they don't need to go anywhere near or around Alaska to get to Canada's Arctic region (which isn't actually shown on that map). They could just go from their own central Arctic coast around the polar ice cap towards Baffin and then over to Canada's north east Arctic coast or central Arctic coast.

Everybody knows the bulk of Canada's population and infrastructure is established from coast to coast along the railway tracks in Canada's far south, and as has already been acknowledged, 90% of Canada's geographical area is unoccupiable, uninhabitable and unpopulated, so that doesn't need to be mentioned again.

What I want to know is what would the invaders do once they got to Canada's sub-Arctic regions. What would be their point in invading it and how will they occupy a region that cannot be occupied or inhabited by humans? With what will they occupy a logistically unoccupiable and uninhabitable region that won't immediately sink out of sight? Will it be soldiers in boats or rafts with wheels, or tanks with gigantic pontoons, will it be humanoid robots made out of titanium and wearing upper body flotation devices and pontoons on their feet (you know, like from the movie Water World) and floating shovels, chain-saws and rakes that also serve as paddles to get them through the unstable floating muskeg and sucking quicksand? Where are they going to go, what will they do when they get there? How long will it take them to get where they're going? Will it take them months or years, given the obstacles?

I think when we acknowledge that the vast majority of Canada is unpopulated and is defended only by the combined forces of NORAD that you are not taking into consideration the reasons for why it's unoccupied. You seem to be either unaware or are forgetting that at this time and for the foreseeable future there is something else even bigger and more powerful than NORAD and all the militaries in the world put together that already is and always has been defending Canada's vast northern regions from being occupied by anybody. So why would Russia or anyone else want to try to take it?
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Old 03-07-2020, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Yeah, looking at your map of the Arctic (btw, that map looks oddly like something from a video game) it's obvious they don't need to go anywhere near or around Alaska to get to Canada's Arctic region (which isn't actually shown on that map). They could just go from their own central Arctic coast around the polar ice cap towards Baffin and then over to Canada's north east Arctic coast or central Arctic coast.

Everybody knows the bulk of Canada's population and infrastructure is established from coast to coast along the railway tracks in Canada's far south, and as has already been acknowledged, 90% of Canada's geographical area is unoccupiable, uninhabitable and unpopulated, so that doesn't need to be mentioned again.

What I want to know is what would the invaders do once they got to Canada's sub-Arctic regions. What would be their point in invading it and how will they occupy a region that cannot be occupied or inhabited by humans? With what will they occupy a logistically unoccupiable and uninhabitable region that won't immediately sink out of sight? Will it be soldiers in boats or rafts with wheels, or tanks with gigantic pontoons, will it be humanoid robots made out of titanium and wearing upper body flotation devices and pontoons on their feet (you know, like from the movie Water World) and floating shovels, chain-saws and rakes that also serve as paddles to get them through the unstable floating muskeg and sucking quicksand? Where are they going to go, what will they do when they get there? How long will it take them to get where they're going? Will it take them months or years, given the obstacles?

I think when we acknowledge that the vast majority of Canada is unpopulated and is defended only by the combined forces of NORAD that you are not taking into consideration the reasons for why it's unoccupied. You seem to be either unaware or are forgetting that at this time and for the foreseeable future there is something else even bigger and more powerful than NORAD and all the militaries in the world put together that already is and always has been defending Canada's vast northern regions from being occupied by anybody. So why would Russia or anyone else want to try to take it?
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You are ruing their fantasy of 'merica saving Canada from the Russians.
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Old 03-07-2020, 04:00 PM
 
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You are ruing their fantasy of 'merica saving Canada from the Russians.

My question was a test and he couldn't answer adequately because he didn't understand the question and lacks practical knowledge about what he's talking about.

Yeah, I know he's entertaining a fantasy but I think it's a fantasy that has been taught to him by others who should know better so I'm starting to feel some sympathy for him. I'd like to challenge him to start thinking more clearly because I think he sounds like he is a young person still being educated who is intelligent but lacks in practical knowledge and experience. He writes that way and sometimes says impossible things and I'd like to see him start developing and using some critical thinking skills and asking practical questions before he gets to actually believing the hearsays and fantasies too much more. He can't use those fantasies based on lack of practical knowledge to get by in life and it would be a shame to see a potentially good mind go to waste because of misinformation.

I just think before he starts talking about these misinformed things online he needs to further his education about real geography and real politics and real socio-economics around the world. That may help him to develop some strategical, logistical and critical thinking skills which presently are non-existent for him. And the sad thing is he doesn't realize that they are non-existent. How can somebody know what they don't know unless somebody else tells them about it?

At this time he doesn't know where Canada's sub-Arctic region actually is, he thinks it's near the Arctic Ocean but it isn't. He's confusing the regions within the sub-Arctic ring with the regions that fall inside of the northernmost Arctic circle and he doesn't know anything about what the geography and climate is of either of those two, let alone of the geographical regions that lie south of the sub-Arctic ring. I'm hopeful that he will actually look those up and research them and the reason for the layout of Canada's infrastructure before he says more about the susceptibility of Canada to wannabee invaders, including USA as a potentially attempted repeat invader.

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Old 03-07-2020, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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I don't know, maybe you have a different map up there? An attack from the West would have to pass northern Alaska to get to Canada's uninhabited sub arctic region in the Arctic Ocean. Nearly all of Canada's population is predictably located near your southern border. The vast majority of your country is both unpopulated and defended only by NORAD.

https://i.insider.com/592892ea79474c1d008b4c61
I don't understand this idea...and it's one that I've heard many times by right-leaning Americans, including members of my own family. Usually, the remark is dropped in a conversation about politics when the American party doesn't have a good answer for a question. That's when they'll deploy the big guns: Canada would be a Russian colony without the US.

Besides being purely speculative, having no basis in reality, and falling apart completely when objective facts of history and geopolitics are examined, it is deployed with relish by certain Americans who seem to think they are Canada's big brother, keeping them safe while Canadians are ingrates and complainers whose country has little value to the US.

All of this talk about where the Russians would attack from and what they would target is complete nonsense because none of it is based in reality. There was a lot of territory across the world that was up for grabs during the Cold War, but the Soviets never tried to seize control of those countries because that wasn't their modus operandi and still isn't. They occupied countries that were on their border to create a buffer zone, but their influence on other nations that swung left during the Cold War was as an advisor, a weapons supplier, and a patron.

What's ironic is that Russia is, at this very moment, launching direct attacks on America's electoral system and institutions, helping to divide Americans with bots and fake news, while undermining its most sacred democratic institutions. This is how Russia attacks now - not with field armies marching across a country, but with asymmetrical warfare. Your president refuses to address the problem because it might mean admitting that the Russians helped him win in 2016, which is a notion his ego simply cannot handle.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon, the intelligence agencies, and the entire national security establishment have been issuing dire warnings since 2016 that Russian measures to subvert elections and undermine democracy in the US, while helping to foment division and polarization, is an imminent threat. So, your country is currently under attack by Russia and yet you president is unwilling to do anything to stop it. Meanwhile, you come onto the Canadian board and confidently assert that Canada would be a Russian principality if not for the US. If you're not careful, the US will continue to allow Russia to destroy global confidence in America and its enduring message of freedom and democracy. As the world turns away from the US, who will they look to, and what will that mean for US soft power?

Again, you really should be speculating less on absurd theories of alternative history and worry about what's actually happening to your country vis-a-vis the country you believe would conquer Canada in a minute if the US were not here to defend us.
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Old 03-07-2020, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I don't understand this idea...and it's one that I've heard many times by right-leaning Americans, including members of my own family. Usually, the remark is dropped in a conversation about politics when the American party doesn't have a good answer for a question. That's when they'll deploy the big guns: Canada would be a Russian colony without the US.

Besides being purely speculative, having no basis in reality, and falling apart completely when objective facts of history and geopolitics are examined, it is deployed with relish by certain Americans who seem to think they are Canada's big brother, keeping them safe while Canadians are ingrates and complainers whose country has little value to the US.

All of this talk about where the Russians would attack from and what they would target is complete nonsense because none of it is based in reality. There was a lot of territory across the world that was up for grabs during the Cold War, but the Soviets never tried to seize control of those countries because that wasn't their modus operandi and still isn't. They occupied countries that were on their border to create a buffer zone, but their influence on other nations that swung left during the Cold War was as an advisor, a weapons supplier, and a patron.

What's ironic is that Russia is, at this very moment, launching direct attacks on America's electoral system and institutions, helping to divide Americans with bots and fake news, while undermining its most sacred democratic institutions. This is how Russia attacks now - not with field armies marching across a country, but with asymmetrical warfare. Your president refuses to address the problem because it might mean admitting that the Russians helped him win in 2016, which is a notion his ego simply cannot handle.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon, the intelligence agencies, and the entire national security establishment have been issuing dire warnings since 2016 that Russian measures to subvert elections and undermine democracy in the US, while helping to foment division and polarization, is an imminent threat. So, your country is currently under attack by Russia and yet you president is unwilling to do anything to stop it. Meanwhile, you come onto the Canadian board and confidently assert that Canada would be a Russian principality if not for the US. If you're not careful, the US will continue to allow Russia to destroy global confidence in America and its enduring message of freedom and democracy. As the world turns away from the US, who will they look to, and what will that mean for US soft power?

Again, you really should be speculating less on absurd theories of alternative history and worry about what's actually happening to your country vis-a-vis the country you believe would conquer Canada in a minute if the US were not here to defend us.
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Old 03-07-2020, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Old 03-08-2020, 06:48 AM
 
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Old 03-08-2020, 10:31 AM
 
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Serious question: Is Canada a Socialist Country ?


Or is it more capitalistic with certain socialist traits?
So with all the wasted bumph between this O/P and where we're at now; a simple google would have answered the O/P's posed question without all of the usual American, historically indoctrinated, nonsense getting in the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_socialist_states

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...ist-countries/

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...socialist.html

https://www.thebalance.com/socialism...amples-3305592

Regardless of ill-educated, predominantly American, opinion to the contrary; not one authoritative site includes Canada on any list of "socialist countries".
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Old 03-09-2020, 12:26 AM
 
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Alright, let's get to the nuts and bolts of things. The Canucks seem to be okay with America carrying the majority of the burden for their defense, with the illusion that they would be just fine without that obvious fact, and they feel that nobody would want their resources and territory anyway. To me, that is utterly amazing.

You left wing wingomatics can continue to live in your delusional nobody cares utopia, but history is full of examples of why you are totally disconnected from reality.
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Old 03-09-2020, 01:14 AM
 
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