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Old 03-26-2020, 01:55 PM
 
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Whoa nelly!

I gave up reading your screeds because they were simply repetitive nonsense with your typical ignoring rebuttals and with one recurring theme being the 'protection of Canada by the U.S'.. Now, however you're attributing words to me never said or expressed.

Canada "needs" it's larger economy neighbour as an "economic partner"; full stop.

The U.S. is in no way paying to "protect Canada". The U.S. has developed it's military capability solely for projecting it's influence worldwide, supporting it's vast MIC and protecting itself. The U.S. would in no way change it's military expenditure should Canada have developed a vast military might of it's own.

Russia has and does pose a threat to the U.S. and as such all military resources developed by the U.S. are done so with it's own protection a priority.

The U.S. couldn't shive-a-git if Canada were inhabited by leprechauns as long as the oil keeps flowing south. The U.S. has consigned Canada to "security risk" status while elevating the country that financially supported the perpetrators of 9/11 to "favoured nation" status and kissed their rings.

No one has ever argued that Canada should not build up it's military - not even once has any Canadian taken that position. As to the priority faced by elected members it will always be the paradox of Canadians placing a higher value upon the maintenance of single payer healthcare serving to actually provide a benefit to each and every Canadian than if given the only choice of sacrificing that to build up it's military to serve no practical purpose other than getting us embroiled in another Afghanistan debacle and doing nothing whatsoever to protect us from a hypothetical enemy that has to tow it's ships from place to place.

American planners know full well and have already decided that Canada is the "sacrificial lamb" where they would prefer to fight any conventional war involving a Russian invasion.. In that respect Canada is doing far more by virtue of it's huge size to protect the U.S. by merely being here as a buffer zone.

NOTHING the U.S. is currently providing by way of military footprint will prevent anything happening to Canada should Russia do something as stupid as invade a country as large as itself with no objective other than to burn itself out on Canadian territory while trying to attack the U.S.

As succinctly put as Zoisite's question you've refused to answer, Canada would only be invaded by anyone solely for the reason of getting to the U.S. as YOUR enemy. You know this, which makes all of that nonsense about the U.S. protecting Canada just so much of that stuff commonly found laying on the barn floor.
You have an amazing crystal ball. Every one of your theories is based on opinion. Perhaps you are too young to remember before 1990 when Russia occupied all of eastern Europe, only for the reason of control and exploitation of their resources. Few would want to live more than 200 miles north of our northern border, I'll agree with that, but there are massive energy resources your country lays claim to up there that would be very vulnerable to foreign exploitation, and even though the northwest passage is international water, I don't think you would want any other country taking control of it and keeping your icebreakers and frigates from passing through there.

What makes you think America needs Canadian oil? USA is a net exporter of energy. In fact it is the world's largest producer. You might sell some of your oil here on the open market, but it is not a need.

Russia would absolutely hesitate to attack America, Canada or not. Absent American protection, if your country wants to stake it's protection solely on your crystal ball, then you should be urging them to withdraw from NATO. Otherwise, ethically you should be urging them to meet their obligations under the treaty. Something in the national character up there always wants something for nothing. Not saying it is socialist, mind you, but the trait is unmistakable.
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Canada
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..... What makes you think America needs Canadian oil? USA is a net exporter of energy. In fact it is the world's largest producer. You might sell some of your oil here on the open market, but it is not a need.....
Actually, it both isn't and is a need. America doesn't need Canadian oil for its own use, but it does need it for America's continuing economy and energy production industry. America doesn't use Canadian oil, it sells it to other international buyers including selling some of it back to Canada in refined or otherwise altered states. That's one of the reasons why USA is one of world's largest sellers of oil because it processes and re-sells so much of it that it buys from other countries. It's not necessarily the largest producer but it is the largest processor and re-seller.

Canada has been USA's No.1 supplier of oil for several decades, with Saudia Arabia a close 2nd. And Saudi oil is generally what USA reserves for its own use because Saudi oil is the 'sweetest' oil there is presently known of on earth. The chart below shows which countries are USA's top 10 suppliers.


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...To-The-US.html


The top ten countries are listed below by oil volume. These ten represent 86 percent of all imports in the last thirty years.

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Old 03-26-2020, 06:38 PM
 
Location: southern california
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No they are not -but massive immigration of people that don’t work -results in a welfare state a different critter- a very sick one -with a short life span
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Canada
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No they are not -but massive immigration of people that don’t work -results in a welfare state a different critter- a very sick one -with a short life span
Canada doesn't have massive immigration of people, let alone immigration of people that don't work.


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Old 03-26-2020, 06:43 PM
 
Location: southern california
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Canada doesn't have massive immigration of people, let alone immigration of people that don't work.


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Canada does not Quebec does
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Old 03-26-2020, 06:49 PM
 
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You have an amazing crystal ball. Every one of your theories is based on opinion. Perhaps you are too young to remember before 1990 when Russia occupied all of eastern Europe, only for the reason of control and exploitation of their resources. Few would want to live more than 200 miles north of our northern border, I'll agree with that, but there are massive energy resources your country lays claim to up there that would be very vulnerable to foreign exploitation, and even though the northwest passage is international water, I don't think you would want any other country taking control of it and keeping your icebreakers and frigates from passing through there.

What makes you think America needs Canadian oil? USA is a net exporter of energy. In fact it is the world's largest producer. You might sell some of your oil here on the open market, but it is not a need.

Russia would absolutely hesitate to attack America, Canada or not. Absent American protection, if your country wants to stake it's protection solely on your crystal ball, then you should be urging them to withdraw from NATO. Otherwise, ethically you should be urging them to meet their obligations under the treaty. Something in the national character up there always wants something for nothing. Not saying it is socialist, mind you, but the trait is unmistakable.
You lost me when you, an American, presumed to lecture about "ethics" and "national character traits". I suspect that got a lot of readers chuckling at the quintessential irony.

Good one. CT.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:01 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Canada does not Quebec does
I don't believe that's accurate.
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Old 03-27-2020, 08:31 AM
 
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It is next to impossible to provide links on this site these days. Google maps showing relative importance for trade between American States and Canadian Provinces. You will have plenty from which to choose.
It’s funny, I have never had a problem providing links to sites that are not direct competitors of c-d, i.e. almost every site out there.

Your claim (post #197): trade with the US accounts for half the jobs in Ontario and Nova Scotia.

That is a lie. For all exports, the number is 19.4% for Ontario (1385165/7133645, source) and 12.3% for Nova Scotia (55998/455735, source). Those are 2016 numbers (most recent numbers, certainly hasn’t gone up since Trump/MAGA got elected) and include all jobs directly or indirectly related to international trade, not just with the US. Of course the US would account for the vast majority of that. 19.4% is not 50%.

Only an idiot would claim that stopping trade with the US would not be catastrophic for the Canadian economy. But lying and eventually backtracking when you cannot back up your claims severely undermines your point and your credibility. I know you’re having fun coming over here on the Canada forum to argue about how we simple folk should be ever so grateful that we are being protected by the great American people, and I guess you see it like you’re fulfilling some sort of patriotic duty, we all act tough and hide behind fake names, we even have a few russian trolls stirring up the pot from time to time. You clearly don’t care what you look like.
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Old 03-27-2020, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Actually, it both isn't and is a need. America doesn't need Canadian oil for its own use, but it does need it for America's continuing economy and energy production industry. America doesn't use Canadian oil, it sells it to other international buyers including selling some of it back to Canada in refined or otherwise altered states. That's one of the reasons why USA is one of world's largest sellers of oil because it processes and re-sells so much of it that it buys from other countries. It's not necessarily the largest producer but it is the largest processor and re-seller.

Canada has been USA's No.1 supplier of oil for several decades, with Saudia Arabia a close 2nd. And Saudi oil is generally what USA reserves for its own use because Saudi oil is the 'sweetest' oil there is presently known of on earth. The chart below shows which countries are USA's top 10 suppliers.


https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oi...To-The-US.html


The top ten countries are listed below by oil volume. These ten represent 86 percent of all imports in the last thirty years.
Facts will only confuse them.
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Old 03-27-2020, 11:09 PM
 
Location: C.R. K-T
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Don't let Don hear you utter that word--you're inviting an "intervention".
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