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Old 07-04-2020, 02:28 PM
 
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Originally Posted by modernrebel View Post
Constant denial doesn't get us anywhere either.

Are indigenous people going to call the police, knowing how the police treat them?
If the indigenous community does not trust police, they can establish their own police force. No one is forcing indigenous people to be policed by non-indigenous people. It's entirely their choice, so blaming police for non-reporting of crimes doesn't hold water.
"The type of policing in Indigenous communities varies across the province. Some communities have independent police services and others are policed by the RCMP.

Each community makes its own policing arrangements through agreements with the provincial and federal governments. Both the federal and provincial governments share these policing costs.

Some Indigenous communities create independent First Nations police services that operate only in their community. To do this, the community signs a tripartite agreement with the federal and provincial governments."
https://www.alberta.ca/indigenous-policing.aspx

 
Old 07-04-2020, 04:00 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Lieneke, good follow up to my post that preceded yours. I think the information you posted above about Indigenous community policing arrangements is something that a lot of non-indigenous people in Canada are not aware of.

Canada First Nations Policing Policy: https://www.google.com/search?biw=13...bmiBmsQ4dUDCAw
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Old 07-04-2020, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Rivière-du-Loup
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Originally Posted by Lieneke View Post
If the indigenous community does not trust police, they can establish their own police force. No one is forcing indigenous people to be policed by non-indigenous people. It's entirely their choice, so blaming police for non-reporting of crimes doesn't hold water.
"The type of policing in Indigenous communities varies across the province. Some communities have independent police services and others are policed by the RCMP.

Each community makes its own policing arrangements through agreements with the provincial and federal governments. Both the federal and provincial governments share these policing costs.

Some Indigenous communities create independent First Nations police services that operate only in their community. To do this, the community signs a tripartite agreement with the federal and provincial governments."
https://www.alberta.ca/indigenous-policing.aspx
Oh yes, blame the victim!
 
Old 07-04-2020, 05:49 PM
 
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Oh yes, blame the victim!
Pardon me? Who is the victim and who is blaming?

Indigenous people cannot claim to be afraid of reporting to the police when they have the right to establish their own indigenous police force. Is there a problem with this right and privilege?
 
Old 07-04-2020, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Pardon me? Who is the victim and who is blaming?

Indigenous people cannot claim to be afraid of reporting to the police when they have the right to establish their own indigenous police force. Is there a problem with this right and privilege?
Yes, there is a problem with police behaving unprofessionally. It should not matter whether indigenous people have the right to establish their own police force. There should be no room for racism in the police force and no place for sexism or bigotry.
 
Old 07-04-2020, 07:38 PM
 
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Yes, there is a problem with police behaving unprofessionally. It should not matter whether indigenous people have the right to establish their own police force. There should be no room for racism in the police force and no place for sexism or bigotry.
Do indigenous police, hand picked by their own community, have discrimination and sexist tendencies? That's doesn't sound right. However, if that's the case, then indigenous people are just like everyone else. Police brutality can happen to everyone and it isn't always about discrimination. Sometimes it's just a police officer who is unsuited for the job.

Regarding police in general, and specifically related to Canada (not foreign, ill, drugged criminals), there are problems with some officers. In general, police keep Canada safe. Every organization has some problem people. Case in point, Russell Williams. It happens even with the best of intentions. It's absurd to paint all officers with the same brush, but it is folly to assume that there are no bad apples.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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This true, and tiresome.

Quebec has contributed more to Canada than any other province, and yet we still tolerate this ridiculous idea that we are somehow, as a nation, more racist than Anglo Canada:

Yes, the ones who put people into segregated schools, exterminated the First Nations, and deemed Quebecois "white n****s" are truly a beacon of tolerance.

The natives do not appear to have been exterminated. And the residential school system was supported by multiple federal governments over the generations, including those run by Quebecers.
 
Old 07-05-2020, 11:38 AM
 
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The idea racism in Canada is increasing has little substantive evidence behind it. If you look for racism you can certainly find it. But there's little evidence of 'institutional racism' in Canada, aside from the Indian Act - which everyone would like to get rid of but can't figure out how.


Everyone has a phone with a camera now. Whenever someone crude or drunk or ignorant starts yelling out abuse at someone else it gets recorded, and if it's racist (but only white on other) it becomes viral. Every time some stupid woman in some hick town in Manitoba or some drunk in Vancouver says something nasty to a native or a minority it gets in every newspaper and gets onto every newscast. The reverse, however, simply doesn't happen. Racism exists among all people of all races cross-cultural. The more immigration, the greater the diversity, the more cultural misunderstandings and disapproval there is going to be among all the diverse groups. That's simply human nature.


On the whole, however, Canadians are remarkably tolerant, more so than almost any other people's in the world. Portraying us as a terrible, racist society leads to the question of just who we're being compared to. Because you'd be hard-pressed to find less racist societies out there.
 
Old 07-07-2020, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Rivière-du-Loup
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On the whole, however, Canadians are remarkably tolerant, more so than almost any other people's in the world. Portraying us as a terrible, racist society leads to the question of just who we're being compared to. Because you'd be hard-pressed to find less racist societies out there.
Is that really true or a talking point? What makes Canada less racist than New Zealand or something besides repeating the statement?


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Old 07-07-2020, 09:55 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Unfortunately some Canadian media and politicians, as well as citizens like to pretend we are some Utopian paradise, and also try to justify that logic by using the United States as comparison. It's really dumb how they are comparing all of our problems with the USA, the single most dangerous first world nation, by far.

Canada has had a brutal history and treatment of the natives, from genocide, to displacement, to residential schools, to Starlight tours.

Canada's history and culture is on average better than America yes, but for people to dismiss all of our very real issues just because it isn't as bad as our neighbor is plain stupid.

A better comparison would be comparing issues in Canada to someplace in Europe like the UK, or Belgium, in which I believe, Canada and North America in general seems to be much more racist than those Western European countries, just what I think, can neither confirm nor deny.

Canadian politicians and the RCMP itself have a LONG history of ****ing over the Indigenous people, even half-assed investigations on the Highway Of Tears shows just how much Canada cares about our Indigenious people

Not to mention the obvious racism against Asians and Blacks which I've literally seen on Buses, line ups etc. It's so passive that the Asians can't even complain, yet I see it's quite prevalent, especially in some areas in the west coast, where there is a large Asian population.

I don't think any country is free of racism, I just some hate how Canadians dismissively refuse to believe we have straight up third world reserves in our country. and a great deal of these communities are infected with poverty, mold, boiled water advisories, **** all for plumbing, literally no employment available.

So all in all I do believe Canadian racism is growing against Asians in particular (especially with covid season), but the system has been rigged against the Indigenous for a long time, and it's heartbreaking to see the result of the generations of abuse, and trauma in many of these communities throughout Canada.
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