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I don't think it's real. That article is full of a lot of holes both time and incident wise and it has all been sensationalized....
I've never heard of Mr. Cronk so I'd say he is NOT famous except in the minds of himself and the NYT reporters....
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First time I've heard of such a thing.
One man in one province does not a country make
The story sounds rather sensational. Slow news day?
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As for famous, nah. Never heard of him.
I have to agree with both Zoisite and Nat: Mr. Cronk is not famous (or infamous) here in Canada. I've never heard of him, and he's not been on local or national news--at least, none that I've consumed. What surprises me is that he had to leave New Brunswick for ... Victoria BC? What, Mr. Cronk, you couldn't find the anonimity you wished in Thunder Bay, Ontario; or Brandon, Manitoba; or Corner Brook, Newfoundland; or Red Deer, Alberta? In the middle of winter, you had to travel 3500 miles to find it in a mild climate in a seaside city? Something's not adding up here.
That being said, JBG does have a point, of sorts. While I've not heard of anybody being shamed for contracting the virus (hell, I know somebody who did, but she's recovered, and during her hospitalization, we all wished her well via her husband on the telephone), there is no question that we are on a spectrum of reactions to the virus: everything from "Lock everything down now, double-masks even outside, outlaw gatherings of any sort, even weddings and funerals" and "Open everything up and let us take our chances." Friction will occur, and I suspect that it is this that JBG is alluding to.
As I've said before, the question is, how do you balance humans' need to be together (our biological instinct is to gather together, after all) with the necessity to be apart? Like I said, there will be friction, and we can only hope it does not end up tearing families and friends apart.
[Aside to Zoisite: I did feed the cats after I got off that phone call. And I've been enjoying the train topic too.]
*****That being said, JBG does have a point, of sorts. While I've not heard of anybody being shamed for contracting the virus (hell, I know somebody who did, but she's recovered, and during her hospitalization, we all wished her well via her husband on the telephone), there is no question that we are on a spectrum of reactions to the virus: everything from "Lock everything down now, double-masks even outside, outlaw gatherings of any sort, even weddings and funerals" and "Open everything up and let us take our chances." Friction will occur, and I suspect that it is this that JBG is alluding to.
As I've said before, the question is, how do you balance humans' need to be together (our biological instinct is to gather together, after all) with the necessity to be apart? Like I said, there will be friction, and we can only hope it does not end up tearing families and friends apart.
[Aside to Zoisite: I did feed the cats after I got off that phone call. And I've been enjoying the train topic too.]
Thanks. I'll amplify my point. it's more stark in the U.S. which does not have the collective, "peace order & good government" tradition of Canada. The "liberals" have always bemoaned the relative libertarian nature of U.S. culture. This is their big chance to obtain the degree of control for which they pine. Trying to get people to cooperate on a collective basis in the U.S. is a lot like herding cats. Lockdowns have met with resistance, some of which is violent. Think the Michigan State Capitol as but the most publicized example.
In Canada people are much more willing to obey the leadership. Any trust in leadership went out with Vietnam and Watergate. In Canada even Sponsorship didn't change much, except the Government from 2006 through 2014.
In Canada people are much more willing to obey the leadership. Any trust in leadership went out with Vietnam and Watergate. In Canada even Sponsorship didn't change much, except the Government from 2006 through 2014.
That is really the difference between the two countries.
It has little to do with Vietnam and Watergate.
Canada was founded by a corporation, and frankly, was kicked out of the family home by Britain. The US on the other hand, gave Britain, the finger and kicked Britain out of the family home!!!
They are both fine countries, but if you want to be a rebel you will be much happier in the US. If you want to be a "upstanding citizen" Canada will meet your needs.
That is really the difference between the two countries.
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Canada was founded by a corporation, and frankly, was kicked out of the family home by Britain. The US on the other hand, gave Britain, the finger and kicked Britain out of the family home!!!
They are both fine countries, but if you want to be a rebel you will be much happier in the US. If you want to be a "upstanding citizen" Canada will meet your needs.
Good points all, but....
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It has little to do with Vietnam and Watergate.
As the role of the Feds expanded there was some newfound awe and trust engendered by FDR (though he turned out to be a fraud), Truman, Eisenhower (I also dislike him) and Kennedy. As a child I used to watch The New Frontier when I was four and five. I think it followed Romper Room or Captain Kangaroo. Even though I was a near-baby I was in awe. Vietnam and Watergate ended any possibility of anyone being awed by what became a tawdry government. Frankly JFK's escapades with Norma Jean a/k/a Marilyn Monroe and naked swims with East German personnel would have ended that as well. But if I recall correctly Joke Lark looked a lot like Diefenbaker.
There was another video hit the news as well - a different unmasked man who was recording himself as he walked through a mall in Vancouver a few weeks ago. He was yelling at all the people in the mall that they were slaves, that covid was a hoax and they should all remove their face diapers. He was escorted out by security and then he downloaded his recordings to youtube.
I think aggressive, intimidating, violent people who make public spectacles of themselves like the above noted hefty big bruiser in the Burnaby Canadian Tire store are people with mental health issues and likely don't care that they are only shaming their own selves with their behaviour. They're public attention seekers who enjoy using their anti-covid beliefs and paranoid conspiracy theories as an excuse to go out in public and be abusive bullies being aggressive and violent towards strangers. I'm sorry that they have mental health issues - there's a lot of that going around these days - but I have no sympathy for the way they use their conspiracy theories to express their control issues, mental health problems and violence towards society.
It sounds like the OP wants to pin the actions of a few onto all Canadians, and that is just silly.
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