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Old 02-25-2022, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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What is chinese about that particular pate?
Apparently the name comes from when French Canadians observed Chinese railway workers in the late 1800s mixing various ingredients to make this dish.
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Old 02-25-2022, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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I'm a little puzzled as to why pork and beans, and shepherd's pie, are considered French-Canadian. They were staples in my English-speaking, wannabe-British home (don't ask), as they were in the homes of my friends in Toronto, when I was younger. Indeed, pork and beans (i.e. baked beans) are a staple in American BBQ cuisine, and shepherd's pie is on the menu of nearly every British-style pub in North America. Shepherd's pie is easily cooked in English-speaking homes in the United States and Canada, as it has been for years--my American ex-wife could whip one up in very little time, if she had the ingredients, as she had done it so often back in Colorado.

How are they considered French-Canadian cuisine? I'm not saying that they are not; and certainly French-Canadians can cook and enjoy them too, but as per the OP, are they really "traditional ... Quebecois meals"?
It depends on the ingredients in it.

Without getting bogged down in too many details, if you have corn in it, it's not really shepherd's pie. It's pâté chinois.

Pâté chinois generally has lots and lots of corn in it.

Shepherd's pie isn't supposed to have any corn.

There are some other ingredient differences too.

But generally speaking, if what you are eating has corn in it, it's actually pâté chinois as opposed to shepherd's pie. (Yes I know that in Quebec bilingual menus refer to "Pâté chinois - Shepherd's pie".)
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Old 02-25-2022, 07:44 AM
 
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Don’t forget cipaille.
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Old 02-25-2022, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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It depends on the ingredients in it.

Without getting bogged down in too many details, if you have corn in it, it's not really shepherd's pie. It's pâté chinois.

Pâté chinois generally has lots and lots of corn in it.

Shepherd's pie isn't supposed to have any corn.

There are some other ingredient differences too.

But generally speaking, if what you are eating has corn in it, it's actually pâté chinois as opposed to shepherd's pie. (Yes I know that in Quebec bilingual menus refer to "Pâté chinois - Shepherd's pie".)
And Shepherd's Pie not only does not contain corn, it also is made of lamb/mutton, whereas Pâté chinois is made with beef. In this sense, it is closer to a cottage pie. And like you said, it has to have LOTS of corn. I want to say my aunt used to use creamed corn.
Paternal family was from the countryside near Shawinigan... Oh this thread is bringing up some real memories.
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Old 02-25-2022, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Canada
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You mean all these years I've been eating fake Sheppards pie?? It supposed to have lamb in it and no corn? I feel Like I've been cheated. I love lamb meat.
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Old 02-25-2022, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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You mean all these years I've been eating fake Sheppards pie?? It supposed to have lamb in it and no corn? I feel Like I've been cheated. I love lamb meat.
The world is messed up

Just wait until all those people buying brioche hamburger and hot dog buns, find out, that they're nothing like real brioche.
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Old 02-26-2022, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Now I want to make tourtiere... And a real sauce brune to go over some thick slices of baked turkey... And some green beans... This thread is killing me lol...
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Old 02-28-2022, 10:27 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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I don't put anything on pâté chinois or tourtière but some people put Heinz ketchup on it. I might put ketchup aux fruits on my tourtière which in Quebec generally is made from tomatoes, apples, peaches, pears, celery, etc.

Tourtière can be the main dish but it's often accompanied by other stuff, like turkey. (Pâté chinois is more of an everyday dish and not something you'd have at a Christmas dinner.)

Tourtière is often accompanied by mashed potatoes, vegetables like carrots or green beans, and marinated beets that have a sweet-sour taste.

Turkey is always served with cranberry sauce here, and the Indigenous word for cranberry ("atoka") is heard as often as the official French word ("canneberge").

But only in relation to the sauce you put on turkey.

In all other instances in Quebec people will use "canneberge" (as in juice, etc.).

Woo, I've never even heard of ketchup aux fruits. Is that something worth making? What do you put it on and how common do you reckon it is?
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Old 03-01-2022, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Canada
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Woo, I've never even heard of ketchup aux fruits. Is that something worth making? What do you put it on and how common do you reckon it is?
You can literally use whatever kinds of fruits (and/or veggies) you want and put it on whatever you want. It can be made to be sweet, hot and spicy, savoury, sour, etc.

Basically it's very much like a chutney with variations of ingredients and I call it (name of fruits) chutney to avoid confusion between ketchups and salsas and jams. If I make it really smooth and thick with no big lumps in it I call it a (fruits) butter.

Check this out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_ketchup

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Old 03-01-2022, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Woo, I've never even heard of ketchup aux fruits. Is that something worth making? What do you put it on and how common do you reckon it is?
It's extremely popular in Quebec during the Christmas holidays.
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