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Old 06-02-2022, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Take the test...see if you are eligible for immigration to Canada.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration...stem/grid.html
Refugees don‘t have to pass that points test. Almost all of the Syrian refugees for example didn’t speak English or French. Lots of them didn’t have a university education. The women tended to be homemakers, raising children, who had never held jobs outside the home

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Old 06-02-2022, 10:16 PM
 
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Like I said you have no interest in how background checks actually work. Or why it takes a month or longer to conduct the check. It is not a sumple check on a computer. You make it seem like a simple five minute checklist is all that is done. Just because it is not done right in the States does not mean it cannot be done better somewhere else.

Face it you do not think stopping school and mass shoorings requires anything being done about guns or who can buy guns.
So you really do keep track of who the hockey goons are? At least I hope you do in that case. Why do the bullies get away and the bullied get punished?

What is your month of longer check like then? Do you get put into a reality TV show and if come out of with favorable reviews, you get to buy a gun? Do you need references? References can be easily faked. Or do you get spied on for months on end to find out what "kind of person" you are?

USA does not want to be a big brother, eye in the sky, thought crimes police state like China or worse. We want to keep our freedoms.
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Old 06-02-2022, 11:07 PM
 
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So you really do keep track of who the hockey goons are? At least I hope you do in that case. Why do the bullies get away and the bullied get punished?

What is your month of longer check like then? Do you get put into a reality TV show and if come out of with favorable reviews, you get to buy a gun? Do you need references? References can be easily faked. Or do you get spied on for months on end to find out what "kind of person" you are?

USA does not want to be a big brother, eye in the sky, thought crimes police state like China or worse. We want to keep our freedoms.
Yes you need two references and they are interviewed as would in the case of the Texas shooter his grandmother and teachers. I do not know what all questions they ask as I never applied for a gun license. I have had apolice check and got secret clearance in the Military and do not know who all they checked with. With the Texas shooter hiscschool, the two who offered his guarnatee, the town police, maybevsomevfriends and neighbours and I guess checking his on line social media. Being Texas maybe nit his hockey history as youbseem to think Canadians are nothing butvhickey goons.

Enough of your stupid stereotype of Canadians are all hockey goons. Reality shows is more an American thing. Background checks are not invading your privacy and more than a job application orvavlianvapplication.


This is some of the info you asked about. And bullies is just another excuse Americans have for refusing to keep firearms out of the reach of those who should not have them.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-gun-laws.html


Do you think that every singke persin in your country should be able to own a gun, for example a convicted murderer on death row? Of course not . We have through background checks in this country. Do not like it dont move here.
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Old 06-03-2022, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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As an immigrant to BOTH Canada and the US, the two countries are VERY DIFFERENT culturally and have been for hundreds of years.

Yep, Canada has NEVER faced a "tyrannical regime". The United Kingdom INSISTED that Canada become a independent country, they didn't want INDEPENDENCE.

We all know about 1776 in the US.

That cultural difference exists to this day. Canada was a CORPORATE state, basically the Hudson Bay Company established the countries culture. Almost ALL Canadians buy into the CORPORATE culture idea, to this day.

I find it amusing that in the US, the MOST patriotic Americans are gun owners. They fly the flag at all times, yet keep a gun so they can use it against the same flag should the government become a "tyrannical regime".

Yes, Canada has "more educated" people, but don't confuse a education with intelligence. The correlation is much less than you think, but "educated" people like to believe that since it makes them "more important".

Canadians have some of the WORST immigration laws in the WORLD when it comes to equity. The US on the other hand has had a open border policy since 1980. Yet, Canada thinks US immigration policy is AWFUL because it is racist!!!! Wow!

Both countries are good and good countries are rare in this world.

Canada is a good country for old people set in their ways, the US is a good country for young people wanting to change the world.

That is why so many smart, creative Canadians move to the US.

It is also why stick in the mud Americans find Canada such a attractive place. I am sure MORE liberal Americans would move to Canada if Canada opened it borders.

Since this a gun thread. I waited until I crossed the border to buy bear spray. Yes, for years the Canadian government banned American made bear spray from crossing the border.

In Canada, I bought bear spray made in Montana. Only in Canada.

But what really caught my eye in the sporting goods store in Merritt, BC were ALL the AR-15 guns and their ilk for sale in the sporting goods store.

Which ONLY Canadians could buy.
I've been bringing bear spray both ways across the border for years. When was this? If what you say is true, why do you think it's odd that you can buy US made bear spray at a store in Canada, but wouldn't be able to take it across the border? The US does the same. I can't bring a California orange from Canada into the US. They even have checks ON the California border itself checking for fruit.

https://www.cdfa.ca.gov/plant/PE/Ext...rders_faq.html

So stop with this " only in Canada " nonsense.

Racist? The Muslim ban, was embarrassing for many Americans. As for US immigration policy, Canadians don't ever really think of it, unless they plan to immigrate. Canada's immigration policy has been emulated in other countries because it seems to work well for the country. Isn't that what immigration policies should do? Refugees, of course are a whole other matter, and Canada certainly does its part.

Why would guns in a sporting goods store catch your eye? It's common in the US. If the store can sell gun legally in Canada they will. The HUGE difference of course is the process of obtaining that gun. Or are you buying into the US right wing cry that gun control equals no guns? Well, I guess you saw the proof that, that is just fear mongering, reactionary thinking.

Some of your other statements about Canada are once again stuck in 1970.

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Old 06-03-2022, 09:01 AM
 
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So you really do keep track of who the hockey goons are? At least I hope you do in that case. Why do the bullies get away and the bullied get punished?

What is your month of longer check like then? Do you get put into a reality TV show and if come out of with favorable reviews, you get to buy a gun? Do you need references? References can be easily faked. Or do you get spied on for months on end to find out what "kind of person" you are?

USA does not want to be a big brother, eye in the sky, thought crimes police state like China or worse. We want to keep our freedoms.
So why then does it perform that task so diligently with the plethora of domestic security agencies all tasked with keeping tabs on its own citizens? The U.S. not wanting to be "the eye in the sky" is sure going about that in a very peculiar fashion.

https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-fbi-spying

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...-spy-americans

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-police-state

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

Aside from the freakishly easy ability for the worst among you to purchase a firearm, it has already been shown innumerable times with posted links to any number of org's/agencies tasked with measuring (some even American conservative think tanks); your freedoms, from individual through economic to freedoms of the press, being inferior to those realized in Canada. If you folks actually put as much effort into "sensibly & intelligently" holding your government's feet to the fire in areas that effect you the most tangibly and spent less time worrying about what a foreign country does as regards the ownership of certain types of firearms . . .

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Old 06-03-2022, 09:26 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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So why then does it perform that task so diligently with the plethora of domestic security agencies all tasked with keeping tabs on its own citizens? The U.S. not wanting to be "the eye in the sky" is sure going about that in a very peculiar fashion.

https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-fbi-spying

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...-spy-americans

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...s-police-state

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying/timeline

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

Aside from the freakishly easy ability for the worst among you to purchase a firearm, it has already been shown innumerable times with posted links to any number of org's/agencies tasked with measuring (some even American conservative think tanks); your freedoms, from individual through economic to freedoms of the press, being inferior to those realized in Canada. If you folks actually put as much effort into "sensibly & intelligently" holding your government's feet to the fire in areas that effect you the most tangibly and spent less time worrying about what a foreign country does as regards the ownership of certain types of firearms . . .

Friends just returned from Palm Springs, or it might have been San Diego. At the airport, they saw six HEAVILY armed security guards standing near a machine. They made everyone have their image captured, and then it said " approved " or something like that. They think it was using facial recognition technology.

Not sure how common that is, but they found it disconcerting.

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Old 06-03-2022, 09:48 AM
 
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Let's have some fun with this stuff:

From the "Economist Intelligence Unit" Metrics used: electoral process and pluralism, civil liberties, the functioning of government, political participation, and political culture:

https://iqlatino.org/global-democrac...UaAs1ZEALw_wcB

"only four countries in the Americas were ranked as full democracies: Canada, Costa Rica, Chile, and Uruguay, with scores of 9.24, 8.16, 8.28, and 8.61, respectively." - (U.S.-7.92)

Heritage House - 2022 Economic Freedom
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
Canada -15th spot U.S.A. -25th

Cato Institute: 2021 Human Freedom Index:
This seventh annual index uses 82 distinct indicators of personal and economic freedom in the following areas:
Rule of law
Security and safety
Movement
Religion
Association, assembly, and civil society
Expression and information
Relationships
Size of government
Legal system and property rights
Sound money
Freedom to trade internationally
Regulation
Use your scroll function to find your country of choice.
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/...y-profiles.pdf
Canada: 6th spot - Score 8.85
USA: 15th spot - score 8.73

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-cou...ountries_Index
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Old 06-03-2022, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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509 statement.

"That cultural difference exists to this day. Canada was a CORPORATE state, basically the Hudson Bay Company established the countries culture. Almost ALL Canadians buy into the CORPORATE culture idea, to this day."

A company founded in 1670, is hardly the corporate culture of today, but besides that, the Hudson's Bay did NOT create Canada's culture. That is simply absurd. Yes they established forts and trading posts that later became some of our cities. They opened their first department store in Canada in 1881, but I doubt any Canadian thinks our culture is derived from a department store.

Comparing corporate culture and INFLUENCE in both countries. It is safe to say, that the US is much more beholden to corporate America, with large corporations having control and influence on many of your politicians. In relation to guns, this is extremely clear.

Also the lobbying corporations do in the US to get what they want from government, plus the financial support they can give in campaigns, has Americans if not buying into the " CORPORATE culture idea ", are FORCED to live under it.

Many Americans complain about this.

Not so much in Canada.
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Old 06-03-2022, 11:12 AM
 
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Amen Natnasci.

509 saying that Canada as being beholden to the corporate elites.

What are the biggest evil corporate companies in the world.... Monsanto, JP Morgan, all the big firearm companies, Philip Morris (big tobacco), Exxon Mobile... lol we can go on and on.

The billions of $$$ they invest in the political arena, influencing and changing your policies to benefit them.

Yeah good call on calling Canada corporate... lol, maybe think a bit before talking out your behind.
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Old 06-03-2022, 01:15 PM
 
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To be fair to 509, I think he had mentioned the last time he lived in Canada was over 50 years ago, so that would explain some of his distorted and outdated views regarding this country.
I think he must of left angey or betraided. I also think he is further right in the political spectrum thannmost Canadians and disappointed in that.
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