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Old 06-16-2022, 02:17 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Oh I think there are too many guns, too. The problem is that the ones who do love their guns REALLY love them.
In a weird way, I do feel sorry for legal gun owners in the US. I'm not anti-gun per se, but against certain types of guns being available. Mainly the ones that are made just to kill people.
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Old 06-16-2022, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Oh I think there are too many guns, too. The problem is that the ones who do love their guns REALLY love them.
I remember a Christmas card I saw of a family, each member holding a gun and beaming, gathered together around a Christmas tree. To me guns symbolize death. So it blew me away that this family celebrated the birth of Christ by proudly flaunting guns on a Christmas card. Most Christians I know would celebrate Christ’s birth with a message of “peace and goodwill”, not by glorifying guns, a symbol of death, war and destruction. It was a complete disconnect and seemed very disrespectful to their religion.
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Old 06-16-2022, 04:29 PM
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I remember a Christmas card I saw of a family, each member holding a gun and beaming, gathered together around a Christmas tree. To me guns symbolize death. So it blew me away that this family celebrated the birth of Christ by proudly flaunting guns on a Christmas card. Most Christians I know would celebrate Christ’s birth with a message of “peace and goodwill”, not by glorifying guns, a symbol of death, war and destruction. It was a complete disconnect and seemed very disrespectful to their religion.
I completely agree very disrespectful. There is a Politician in Florida that is running for some office. He is running an add on TV where he is wearing mitary clothes, and pointing a gun. He is pushing for gun rights. He looks like a complete fool. Can you imagine having a conversation with him on any subject. I imagine he would be difficult to spend time with. One track Mind I imagine
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Old 06-16-2022, 10:50 PM
 
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I remember a Christmas card I saw of a family, each member holding a gun and beaming, gathered together around a Christmas tree. To me guns symbolize death. So it blew me away that this family celebrated the birth of Christ by proudly flaunting guns on a Christmas card. Most Christians I know would celebrate Christ’s birth with a message of “peace and goodwill”, not by glorifying guns, a symbol of death, war and destruction. It was a complete disconnect and seemed very disrespectful to their religion.
I saw that as well. I think on Facebook a few years back.

From a psychological viewpoint, it would be VERY interesting to hear their take on this.

Peace, Love, and an AR-15?

Then again, I read one US politician giving thanks to all things American, and claimed Jesus was American, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

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Old 06-16-2022, 11:18 PM
 
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In a weird way, I do feel sorry for legal gun owners in the US. I'm not anti-gun per se, but against certain types of guns being available. Mainly the ones that are made just to kill people.
Same here. Although I lean pretty far left with most things, I do know there was a historical reason that our country's founders wrote the right to bear arms into the Constitution of the United States. If government and criminals can get them easily enough, the private citizen who wants to own firearms should be able to do so, as well.

But some of these weapons have no reason for existence other than to kill a lot of human beings quickly, and that's going beyond personal defense.

The time we took the shotguns into the woods with the kids and learned to shoot, my brother-in-law first made us all watch an NRA film on basic gun safety. That was wise.
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:19 PM
 
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I remember a Christmas card I saw of a family, each member holding a gun and beaming, gathered together around a Christmas tree. To me guns symbolize death. So it blew me away that this family celebrated the birth of Christ by proudly flaunting guns on a Christmas card. Most Christians I know would celebrate Christ’s birth with a message of “peace and goodwill”, not by glorifying guns, a symbol of death, war and destruction. It was a complete disconnect and seemed very disrespectful to their religion.
I saw that. It was a US Congressman's family, if I recall correctly. Creepy.
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Old 06-16-2022, 11:21 PM
 
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I saw that as well. I think on Facebook a few years back.

From a psychological viewpoint, it would be VERY interesting to hear their take on this.

Peace, Love, and an AR-15?

Then again, I read one US politician giving thanks to all things American, and claimed Jesus was American, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
No, you shouldn't be. I'm a moderator on the Religion & Spirituality forum, and before I was, I would not have believed the wack-a-doo things people claim in the name of Christianity until I saw it and heard it and received their ugly DMs for myself.
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Old 06-18-2022, 04:57 AM
 
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Now comes news that a 70 year old attending a church potluck dinner killed three seniors, two 84 year old's and a 75 year old. The guy was apparently a licensed firearm dealer. No motive given in the article.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...nw6?li=AAggFp4

I'm flummoxed as to how they're going to get a grip on this plague.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

We need to remember that whatever is going on in the U.S. will, without a doubt morph across the line in the dirt if we do not take effective measures, and I don't mean just more of the relatively ineffective laws or bans when the things can come across the border in any number of ways.
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Old 06-18-2022, 10:39 AM
 
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Now comes news that a 70 year old attending a church potluck dinner killed three seniors, two 84 year old's and a 75 year old. The guy was apparently a licensed firearm dealer. No motive given in the article.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...nw6?li=AAggFp4

I'm flummoxed as to how they're going to get a grip on this plague.

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/r.../mass-shooting

We need to remember that whatever is going on in the U.S. will, without a doubt morph across the line in the dirt if we do not take effective measures, and I don't mean just more of the relatively ineffective laws or bans when the things can come across the border in any number of ways.
Americans first need to agree that gun violence is an issue they want to actually deal with. Until then nothing can happen.

And yes we need to be more active in preventing the environment where more gun violence will occur. I do disgree about gun laws being ineffective. However gun laws can only be a portion of the solution to this increasing problem.
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Old 06-19-2022, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Same here. Although I lean pretty far left with most things, I do know there was a historical reason that our country's founders wrote the right to bear arms into the Constitution of the United States. If government and criminals can get them easily enough, the private citizen who wants to own firearms should be able to do so, as well.

But some of these weapons have no reason for existence other than to kill a lot of human beings quickly, and that's going beyond personal defense.

The time we took the shotguns into the woods with the kids and learned to shoot, my brother-in-law first made us all watch an NRA film on basic gun safety. That was wise.
Yeah its hard to imagine the founders envisioning an AR-15, when they conceived the right to bear arms in your Constitution. If they could see now what was going on, it would be interesting to get their perspective on it.
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