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Old 06-01-2022, 11:06 AM
 
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For those who believe that gun laws have nothing to do with mass or school shootings and that they happen elsewherd in the World

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Mental.illness, social awkwardness, single parent famiies, Rao.music video games, social media, no prayers in schools, pornography, drugs and sex all occur in other countries than the USA. But most ofthese shootings occur in the States. The Canadian givernment is trying to.minimize the frequency and magnitude of them happening in our country.

For Americans who do not accept our gun laws do not move here and only visit if you obey our laws. Our laws do not apply within your country.
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Old 06-01-2022, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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I am a gun owner in the US, but I am not a gun nut. The trouble is, we have far too many gun nuts. Even though anyone with a credit card can go out and buy an AR-15, a few thousand rounds of ammunition, and a pile of 100-round drum magazines, America's gun nuts have been screaming for years that they have no rights and they're in terrible danger - because they don't have enough firepower! I mean, literally, anyone can get the ingredients to carry out a horrific mass shooting in a few minutes, and yet our people are saying "It's not enough, we need to be able to kill more people!!!"
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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I am a gun owner in the US, but I am not a gun nut. The trouble is, we have far too many gun nuts. Even though anyone with a credit card can go out and buy an AR-15, a few thousand rounds of ammunition, and a pile of 100-round drum magazines, America's gun nuts have been screaming for years that they have no rights and they're in terrible danger - because they don't have enough firepower! I mean, literally, anyone can get the ingredients to carry out a horrific mass shooting in a few minutes, and yet our people are saying "It's not enough, we need to be able to kill more people!!!"
The predominate thing I hear is basically:

"It's my right, so I will do what I want" kind of attitude.

There are no thoughts to it. It's based purely on self centered interests, who cares about the social ramifications of my interests.

Then when they don't want to look like they don't care, they rationize that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "hey cars kill people too" kind of nonsense.

A gun is made to destroy. Nothing else. Society has to decide if the incredible costs are worth it.
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:30 PM
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Location: Florida
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The predominate thing I hear is basically:

"It's my right, so I will do what I want" kind of attitude.

There are no thoughts to it. It's based purely on self centered interests, who cares about the social ramifications of my interests.

Then when they don't want to look like they don't care, they rationize that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "hey cars kill people too" kind of nonsense.

A gun is made to destroy. Nothing else. Society has to decide if the incredible costs are worth it.

You said it perfectly. Now you see what we put up with down here. I'm surrounded by the mindset you describe here in Central Florida. There is a bumper sticker I see on vehicles down here. God, Guns Guts. I see that bumper sticker way to much.

Your correct Society has to decide if the incredible costs are worth it. Evidently for some years now it must have been decided the incredible costs are worth it. Considering all the shootings we have in the US. Thoughts and Prayers seem to be the extent of the caring.
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:32 PM
 
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The predominate thing I hear is basically:

"It's my right, so I will do what I want" kind of attitude.

There are no thoughts to it. It's based purely on self centered interests, who cares about the social ramifications of my interests.

Then when they don't want to look like they don't care, they rationize that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "hey cars kill people too" kind of nonsense.

A gun is made to destroy. Nothing else. Society has to decide if the incredible costs are worth it.
A,gun is also a tool. Society needs to know how to balance the rights to hunt and defend against predators , plus sports shooting with the right for safety from said guns. I think our laws strike a sensible balance. There could be more done for both sides but its always a work in progress.
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Old 06-01-2022, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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The predominate thing I hear is basically:

"It's my right, so I will do what I want" kind of attitude.

There are no thoughts to it. It's based purely on self centered interests, who cares about the social ramifications of my interests.

Then when they don't want to look like they don't care, they rationize that "guns don't kill people, people kill people" or "hey cars kill people too" kind of nonsense.

A gun is made to destroy. Nothing else. Society has to decide if the incredible costs are worth it.
Yes, I mean, personally I certainly recognize the need for legitimate self defense when it comes to firearms. The thing is, those arguing for high capacity semi-automatic weapons and the 30-round, 100-round magazines start talking about:
- civil unrest, a breakdown in the rule of law, wherein you might be facing dozens of assailants
- an invasion by a hostile nation, where e.g. US civilians are taking on the Russian or Chinese army on American soil
- our own government imposing something heinous on us - again a breakdown in the rule of law, but here the government being the bad actors, and civilians battling our own police and military

I consider the above unlikely, and think that they should be weighed against other risks that I think are more likely - namely that someone who is disturbed wants to kill a lot of people in their church, workplace, school, or at an event - and the bottom line is, these happen *all the time* in the US, while we've never been invaded, we've never had to go to war with our own government, and even civil unrest, where someone actually needs to do *a lot* of shooting - not real common. But when I talk with someone insisting on access to what are really anti-personnel weapons, to take on many people by design - they insist that these are all great dangers, and anything you might say to counter, they only become increasingly agitated about... there is a certain amount of ideology and paranoia at work here.

The NRA, whose executives and board members include numerous people from the firearms industry, fuel a lot of fear, because that drives the purchase of weapons, accessories and ammunition. They used to be kind of a family-oriented organization focused on target shooting, hunting, safe gun handling, but nowadays it's much more spreading fear and the idea that you need to have these kinds of rigs or you're absolutely defenseless at a time of great danger. It's all about the dollars really, is why they spread these ideas.

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Old 06-01-2022, 03:03 PM
 
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The author of this piece can’t possibly be Canadian, can he?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/...nt-in-america/
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The author of this piece can’t possibly be Canadian, can he?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/...nt-in-america/
From the article: “America is defined by its political freedom”

Well that’s patently untrue.
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:27 PM
 
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From the article: “America is defined by its political freedom”

Well that’s patently untrue.
Ain’t that America - home of the free, yeah
Little pink houses for you and me
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Old 06-01-2022, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The author of this piece can’t possibly be Canadian, can he?
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/...nt-in-america/
That's one of the worst opinion pieces I have ever read, and yes, it would appear he's Canadian. There's not even an attempt to present a conservative political POV, but only some strange urge to bash Canada to an audience unlikely to take issue with it.

Australia defined by its "frontier spirit?" Britain by its "rich cultural and political history" (with nary a mention of the darker side of colonialism)? But Canada? Well, shucks. Tie us in a bag and throw us in the creek. It's laughable.

I've noticed before that there is no one so unbalanced as someone bashing their own country, presumably in an effort to be unbiased. I've noticed that in other nationalities.
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