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Old 08-19-2022, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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I liked both Calgary and Edmonton. The close proximity to the Rockies as well, especially Calgary would be a big draw for me. I'm not really that into 'vibrancy' anymore. I lived in a vibrant place most of my life and i'd be fine with a more chill place. I actually live in a chill place now and its ok for me. I can always travel outside of Canada if I need vibrancy. Calgary is clean, big enough and has a pretty decent gay scene (good enough for me at this stage of my life). It's also beautiful and has a nice park system. From 2016 to 2021 Calgary and Edmonton still saw strong growth rates I believe on par or even a bit better than Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver so they are growing steadily.

I'd actually totally move there if I could, but I have family commitments that keep me where I am. From what I saw, the diversity was decent but i'm more concerned with a safe place with good people and Calgary ticks that off. In the big two cities anyway, to me seemed to be a sizable mix of political persuasions.
I prefer Calgary, but I couldn't live there. The mountains are too far away, and the ocean non-existent. I do like it's downtown, the parks etc. They did a better job with 8th ave than Vancouver did with Granville Street downtown.

I would miss hopping a ferry and going to the Gulf Islands. I would miss Vancouver's beaches, especially in the summer. Or walking/biking on the seawall.

As for Alberta itself, beautiful place. I know so many that have left Alberta for Vancouver, and only one friend who moved from Vancouver to Calgary. They don't seem to regret it, but they seem to visit Vancouver every month.
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Old 08-19-2022, 11:38 AM
 
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I prefer Calgary, but I couldn't live there. The mountains are too far away, and the ocean non-existent. I do like it's downtown, the parks etc. They did a better job with 8th ave than Vancouver did with Granville Street downtown.
The mountains are too far away It's a 1.15 hour drive - if. Close enough for me but to each their own. They are spectacular mountains though. I'd be there every other weekend for sure! Yeah its quieter than T.O and Vancouver life wise but yeah - that suits my mode now.

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I would miss hopping a ferry and going to the Gulf Islands. I would miss Vancouver's beaches, especially in the summer. Or walking/biking on the seawall.
I'd move to YVR as well but it is pricy, so they do make a good case about that. You grew up with those so I can understand why you wouldn't want to leave.
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Old 08-19-2022, 01:17 PM
 
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The mountains are too far away It's a 1.15 hour drive - if. Close enough for me but to each their own. They are spectacular mountains though. I'd be there every other weekend for sure! Yeah its quieter than T.O and Vancouver life wise but yeah - that suits my mode now.



I'd move to YVR as well but it is pricy, so they do make a good case about that. You grew up with those so I can understand why you wouldn't want to leave.
Well as you know, in Vancouver the mountains are right here, so ya, a 1.15 hour drive is not close in comparison.

However for spectacular mountains, the Rockies win over the North Shore Mountains, but the North Shore Mountains are covered with trees and have their own beauty and the Sea to Sky highway has some impressive mountains on the way to Whistler/Blackcomb.

As for politics...BC is no stranger to crazy, but Alberta tends to have more crazy leaning too far right, as a province. The cities are different and I haven't found Albertans themselves to be extreme, at least the ones that tend to live in the two main cities, or the numerous friends I have who hail from Alberta.
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Old 08-19-2022, 05:30 PM
 
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Well as you know, in Vancouver the mountains are right here, so ya, a 1.15 hour drive is not close in comparison.

However for spectacular mountains, the Rockies win over the North Shore Mountains, but the North Shore Mountains are covered with trees and have their own beauty and the Sea to Sky highway has some impressive mountains on the way to Whistler/Blackcomb.

As for politics...BC is no stranger to crazy, but Alberta tends to have more crazy leaning too far right, as a province. The cities are different and I haven't found Albertans themselves to be extreme, at least the ones that tend to live in the two main cities, or the numerous friends I have who hail from Alberta.
Yeah i'd not be complaining about close proximity to mountains at all - whether integrated into the city or just a bit over an hour away. I have to go real far for them in T.O Hey there are the Bluffs.. Yes I read your dismissive commentary on them in another thread..... snob Honestly they are pretty cool for T.O and interesting geologic formations in their own right. They were also the setting for Saru's home on kaminar. If you have no clue what i'm talking about its a Star Trek Discovery reference lol.

I concur regarding Albertans in the larger cities. I did stop off in Red Deer for a bite to eat and I had some people aggressively tailgating me. I kid you not - my car rental had B.C plates lol.

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Old 08-19-2022, 08:53 PM
 
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Yeah i'd not be complaining about close proximity to mountains at all - whether integrated into the city or just a bit over an hour away. I have to go real far for them in T.O Hey there are the Bluffs.. Yes I read your dismissive commentary on them in another thread..... snob Honestly they are pretty cool for T.O and interesting geologic formations in their own right. They were also the setting for Saru's home on kaminar. If you have no clue what i'm talking about its a Star Trek Discovery reference lol.

I concur regarding Albertans in the larger cities. I did stop off in Red Deer for a bite to eat and I had some people aggressively tailgating me. I kid you not - my car rental had B.C plates lol.
I guess if you have no real mountains, bluffs will have to do.

All joking aside, bluffs can be beautiful and are a different animal. Like comparing the Alps to the White Cliffs of Dover, both of which I've seen, and both I like for different reasons.

As for my snobbery in that thread...um...well...

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Old 08-19-2022, 10:06 PM
 
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I concur regarding Albertans in the larger cities. I did stop off in Red Deer for a bite to eat and I had some people aggressively tailgating me. I kid you not - my car rental had B.C plates lol.
Meh. I've had the same thing happening to me when I lived in Ontario, and my car had Ontario plates. Stupid drivers are stupid drivers, no matter where they come from; and there's always somebody who considers "normal flow of traffic" to be a race of some sort. A race that they absolutely must win. I always wonder what the prize for beating me to the red light is.

Interestingly, when I've driven my car (with Alberta plates) to Ontario, all the Ontario drivers, seeing my Alberta plate, give me a wide berth, like they expect me to do something stupid. Of course, I lived in Toronto for years, and know the highways and expressways, and know my way around. More importantly, I know how Ontario drivers drive.

But it is so nice that these Ontario drivers stay away from a "foreign" plated car. Makes lane changes in order to get to an exit in Toronto freeway interchanges so much easier. I'm not trying to change lanes into a 20-foot space at 100 km/h; all I need do is put on my signal, and a 60-foot, or more, space opens up. Yay me!

But when I fly into Pearson and rent a car, it's got Ontario plates, and I have to recall all the skills I learned driving in Toronto. I'm given no quarter, nor should I be--I'm driving an Ontario-plated car. Thankfully, I know how to deal with Ontario drivers.
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Old 08-19-2022, 10:36 PM
 
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Most of the youth surveyed also negatively associated the province with conservatism and intolerance. "

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...onto-1.6391712
And, as so often happens, poll respondents had never been to, visited, or knew anybody in Alberta. At least, I assume so, because such views don't tend to come from people who have visited Alberta.

An anecdote is never data, but I'll offer the example of an old friend of mine from Ontario, who has visited twice. This guy is as conservative as they come, and it always blew him away that we in Alberta have (gasp!) black people out here. And some kind of south Asian brown people! And Muslims! And Jews! And openly gay people! And they're all treated equally! And Pride Parades and Festivals! And rainbow crosswalks! Abortion is legal! Nobody needs an AR-15! And so on and so on.

And running water! And indoor plumbing! And cable TV! And public libraries!

Okay, the latter was meant to elicit a smile, but the former was not--Alberta is actually pretty diverse, in terms of ethnicity, race, religion, sexuality, sexual identity, and so on. Thing is, you're not going to see that if you've never been to Alberta. You'll just assume, as so many non-Albertans, who have never visited Alberta, do: "Alberta is white, English-speaking, and intolerant of all of those who are not either, and who are not heterosexual." Not true, and I say that as an Albertan.

Alberta's recent efforts to advertise "come to Alberta" are not necessarily futile. If they can cause one or more people to change their minds from "Alberta's a conservative redneck province where beef is eaten, my electric car is not welcome, and vegetarianism is unknown" to "Maybe I've short-shifted Alberta, and should give it a chance," then they have done their job. Hey, even Fort MacLeod has a Tesla charging station--so, Tesla and other EV owners, you're covered. Come visit!

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Old 08-20-2022, 01:20 PM
 
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And, as so often happens, poll respondents had never been to, visited, or knew anybody in Alberta. At least, I assume so, because such views don't tend to come from people who have visited Alberta.

An anecdote is never data, but I'll offer the example of an old friend of mine from Ontario, who has visited twice. This guy is as conservative as they come, and it always blew him away that we in Alberta have (gasp!) black people out here. And some kind of south Asian brown people! And Muslims! And Jews! And openly gay people! And they're all treated equally! And Pride Parades and Festivals! And rainbow crosswalks! Abortion is legal! Nobody needs an AR-15! And so on and so on.

And running water! And indoor plumbing! And cable TV! And public libraries!

Okay, the latter was meant to elicit a smile, but the former was not--Alberta is actually pretty diverse, in terms of ethnicity, race, religion, sexuality, sexual identity, and so on. Thing is, you're not going to see that if you've never been to Alberta. You'll just assume, as so many non-Albertans, who have never visited Alberta, do: "Alberta is white, English-speaking, and intolerant of all of those who are not either, and who are not heterosexual." Not true, and I say that as an Albertan.

Alberta's recent efforts to advertise "come to Alberta" are not necessarily futile. If they can cause one or more people to change their minds from "Alberta's a conservative redneck province where beef is eaten, my electric car is not welcome, and vegetarianism is unknown" to "Maybe I've short-shifted Alberta, and should give it a chance," then they have done their job. Hey, even Fort MacLeod has a Tesla charging station--so, Tesla and other EV owners, you're covered. Come visit!
Plus some forget that Alberta had an NDP government at one time...short in the history of the province, but still.

Coming from Lotus Land though, many places seem more conservative. Dare I say even Toronto!
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Old 08-21-2022, 04:31 PM
 
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Meh. I've had the same thing happening to me when I lived in Ontario, and my car had Ontario plates. Stupid drivers are stupid drivers, no matter where they come from; and there's always somebody who considers "normal flow of traffic" to be a race of some sort. A race that they absolutely must win. I always wonder what the prize for beating me to the red light is.

Interestingly, when I've driven my car (with Alberta plates) to Ontario, all the Ontario drivers, seeing my Alberta plate, give me a wide berth, like they expect me to do something stupid. Of course, I lived in Toronto for years, and know the highways and expressways, and know my way around. More importantly, I know how Ontario drivers drive.

But it is so nice that these Ontario drivers stay away from a "foreign" plated car. Makes lane changes in order to get to an exit in Toronto freeway interchanges so much easier. I'm not trying to change lanes into a 20-foot space at 100 km/h; all I need do is put on my signal, and a 60-foot, or more, space opens up. Yay me!

But when I fly into Pearson and rent a car, it's got Ontario plates, and I have to recall all the skills I learned driving in Toronto. I'm given no quarter, nor should I be--I'm driving an Ontario-plated car. Thankfully, I know how to deal with Ontario drivers.
Fair enough Chevy - and probably I just noticed them more because I wasn't from there. Drivers everywhere though should just chill out. It isn't worth the extra few minutes you save out of your life, driving like a maniac which means your trip entails far more risk than it should.

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I guess if you have no real mountains, bluffs will have to do.
Toronto has quite a few rivers and ravines and is ofc right on a large and deep lake so we could do worse nature wise. But yeah - there's just something about mountains!
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Old 08-21-2022, 05:10 PM
 
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And, as so often happens, poll respondents had never been to, visited, or knew anybody in Alberta. At least, I assume so, because such views don't tend to come from people who have visited Alberta.

An anecdote is never data, but I'll offer the example of an old friend of mine from Ontario, who has visited twice. This guy is as conservative as they come, and it always blew him away that we in Alberta have (gasp!) black people out here. And some kind of south Asian brown people! And Muslims! And Jews! And openly gay people! And they're all treated equally! And Pride Parades and Festivals! And rainbow crosswalks! Abortion is legal! Nobody needs an AR-15! And so on and so on.

And running water! And indoor plumbing! And cable TV! And public libraries!

Okay, the latter was meant to elicit a smile, but the former was not--Alberta is actually pretty diverse, in terms of ethnicity, race, religion, sexuality, sexual identity, and so on. Thing is, you're not going to see that if you've never been to Alberta. You'll just assume, as so many non-Albertans, who have never visited Alberta, do: "Alberta is white, English-speaking, and intolerant of all of those who are not either, and who are not heterosexual." Not true, and I say that as an Albertan.

Alberta's recent efforts to advertise "come to Alberta" are not necessarily futile. If they can cause one or more people to change their minds from "Alberta's a conservative redneck province where beef is eaten, my electric car is not welcome, and vegetarianism is unknown" to "Maybe I've short-shifted Alberta, and should give it a chance," then they have done their job. Hey, even Fort MacLeod has a Tesla charging station--so, Tesla and other EV owners, you're covered. Come visit!
Alberta is still too redneck at times. The vandalism of LBGT crosswalks and such. The attacks on black Muslim wimen in Edmonton for another. I live in Medicine Hat which is about as white and conservative as can be. But I do not think there is much advertly racism oe homophophic or hate as utbis a more livevand let live unless you are anti Oil or pro Trudeau.

But its gotten to big as it now takes me more than 20 minutes to bicycle out of town in two of the directions. We did have a NDP MLA but now onevthat was kucked out of the UCO for being to radical.

As far as conswrvatives go we are so far away from a Lougheed or even King Klein moderate that it probably does not matter who becomes leader. Just a matter of how much damage they can inflict. Well.maybe Smith would be the worse.
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