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View Poll Results: Should Canada Offer UBI to LGBT Residents?
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:19 PM
 
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Several places in the US are offering universal income totransgender residents. San Francisco is offering up to $1200 per month to it's transgender residents and other aces like Palm Springs are doing similar things. Should Canada catch up in this regard?
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Old 11-27-2022, 11:32 PM
 
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If, like San Francisco, this is just another category of low income people qualifying for universal income, sure.
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Old 11-28-2022, 02:27 AM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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I don't understand what you're talking about. What is "universal income"?

And what is the purpose of giving it to transgenders? Are transgenders considered to be special needs people with disabilities that prevent them from earning an income through employment?

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Old 11-28-2022, 03:24 AM
 
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Generally universal income implies everyone gets it. It’s the term being used but it’s not accurate. San Francisco is setting up special funding of $1,200/month for up to 18 months for qualifying low income LGBQ+. They, as a whole, are only special needs on the basis of the discrimination they face.

I’m tempted to look up the actual requirements but I haven’t yet. It is, however, giving the Right more things to “tisk tisk” about it.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:24 AM
 
Location: Alberta, Canada
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As so often happens, Zoisite, we're not being given all the facts by the OP. Let's start here:

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/loca...dents/3083597/

From that item:

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The pilot program will offer qualifying low-income trans San Franciscans with $1200 per month for up to 18 months, according to a news release from Breed.
But transgenders aren't the only ones who have benefited from the city of San Francisco's largesse. Later in the item:

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The city launched a program to offer some guaranteed income to artists in the city in 2021, and another that same year to assist pregnant people in the Black and Pacific Islander communities. The city is expected to launch two more initiatives in 2023 aimed at youth, according to [San Francisco Mayor London] Breed.
Most importantly, it is a limited program (only 55 trans applicants will be considered), which means that it is not universal:

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The GIFT [Guaranteed Income For Trans people] program will initially provide 55 applicants with temporary income and a range of other services such as gender-affirming medical and mental health care, case management and financial coaching.
So it's a pilot program to help low-income trans people, but only 55 of them. The city of San Francisco does the same for artists and pregnant women in certain minority communities. Later, the city will address those youth who are presumably homeless or disadvantaged in some way.

So, San Francisco is not giving away money to any and all trans people who claim to be trans. It is giving money away only to those who are selected, and presumably vetted, through an application process. And then, only 55 of them, and for a limited time. Just like it has to other past and future groups.

We can have a better discussion when we know all the facts. I hope that I have provided them.

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Old 11-28-2022, 03:37 AM
 
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I went to the City’s webpage. In the case of each of the guaranteed income programs, they provide other support as well, not just money.
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Old 11-28-2022, 03:44 AM
 
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Thanks.

I don't see how transgenders can qualify as low income people, otherwise as low income people how can they afford to pay for the whole process of becoming transgenders? Considering everything involved, including the expenditures involved, with the full procedures required for them to go through it's very, very expensive to make such a transition. It's also expensive to mentally/medically/pharmaceutically maintain being a fully transitioned person for the rest of their lives.

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Old 11-28-2022, 09:47 AM
 
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Several places in the US are offering universal income totransgender residents. San Francisco is offering up to $1200 per month to it's transgender residents and other aces like Palm Springs are doing similar things. Should Canada catch up in this regard?
Seems silly. Anyone can claim to be transgender.
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Old 11-28-2022, 12:40 PM
 
Location: B.C., Canada
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Seems silly. Anyone can claim to be transgender.
Not quite. Anyone can "claim" to be transgender but just claiming it doesn't make it so without authorized medical and psychiatric confirmation and the surgical scars to show for it as back up to prove the person is in fact a transgendered person who has made the transition.

Anyone can also claim that they "identify" as or with something else instead of what they really are but claiming it doesn't actually make them what they claim to identify with. It's all a fallacy that lives in their heads ........ and sometimes it's just a scam to pull the wool over other gullible people's eyes.

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Old 11-28-2022, 01:09 PM
 
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Not quite. Anyone can "claim" to be transgender but just claiming it doesn't make it so without authorized medical and psychiatric confirmation and the surgical scars to show for it as back up to prove the person is in fact a transgendered person who has made the transition.

Anyone can also claim that they "identify" as or with something else instead of what they really are but claiming it doesn't actually make them what they claim to identify with. It's all a fallacy that lives in their heads ........ and sometimes it's just a scam to pull the wool over other gullible people's eyes.

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Great post as always! Thanks!

The title "LGBT" is confusing.
I knew of two guys in a relationship living together, both doing extremely well in their respective career. Neither of them would consider himself as a transgender, because all the mails to them were addressed to "Mr" so-and-so.
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