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Old 08-24-2023, 07:09 PM
 
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I hate to burst your bubble but this isn't true. London Ontario is growing faster than any city in the GTA. Kitchener Waterloo while part of the GGH is not part of the GTA and growing faster than the GTA. Also, Montreal CMA is growing at the same rate as the Toronto CMA. Last I looked as well - Edmonton along with Ottawa are growing faster than Toronto/Montreal and Vancouver CMA's with Calgary faster than Toronto and Montreal and just below Vancouver.

My point is - high population growth in Canada is not just a GTA and Vancouver story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_in_Canada
Unless population goes by 100,000 every 6 or 10 years I would not call it fast growth.

When you look at Peel Region, York Region and Toronto.

London, Ontario
1971 population 223,222
2021 population 422,324

That is 199,102 people.

This is pathetic growth


Brampton had 1991 population 234,445 now 2021 population 656,480 this is fast growth. That is 422,035 people.

Toronto had 1991 population 2,275,771 now 2021 population 2,794,356 that is 518,585 people.

Winnipeg 1991 population 616,790 now 2021 population 749,607 that is 132,817 people.

Calgary growth was tied to oil boom and now people moving to Calgary because it is cheaper there.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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There is lots of room for expansion in the Victoria area.

Victoria is on Vancouver Island however. That in of itself can be a put off to some individuals who don't want to shell out high commuting costs to ride a long ferry ride just to get back onto the Mainland. Otherwise with its nice weather, Victoria would have grown as big as Greater Vancouver already.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:13 PM
 
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Average house price in my old home town, Brantford Ont. $900,000
Is there farmland or green belt around Brantford? I just don’t know how these smaller cities like Windsor, London, Kitchener, St. Catharines or Niagara Falls are not super cheep unless there is farmland or green belt around city just like Brantford limiting growth.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:17 PM
 
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Victoria is on Vancouver Island however. That in of itself can be a put off to some individuals who don't want to shell out high commuting costs to ride a long ferry ride just to get back onto the Mainland. Otherwise with its nice weather, Victoria would have grown as big as Greater Vancouver already.
I don’t think he was saying people living in Victoria and working in Vancouver or living in Vancouver and working in Victoria. I think he means living and working in Victoria that why Victoria does not sprawl out.

Canadian cities just don’t seem to be as sprawling as US cities it seems.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Unless population goes by 100,000 every 6 or 10 years I would not call it fast growth.

When you look at Peel Region, York Region and Toronto.

London, Ontario
1971 population 223,222
2021 population 422,324

That is 199,102 people.

This is pathetic growth


Brampton had 1991 population 234,445 now 2021 population 656,480 this is fast growth. That is 422,035 people.

Toronto had 1991 population 2,275,771 now 2021 population 2,794,356 that is 518,585 people.

Winnipeg 1991 population 616,790 now 2021 population 749,607 that is 132,817 people.

Calgary growth was tied to oil boom and now people moving to Calgary because it is cheaper there.
I'm talking about growth rates and London is growing very fast. Of course in absolute terms the GTA has the most. However, London and other cities not named GTA and YVR are anything but pathetic in their growth - especially considering the last decade as opposed to 50 years. You are not accounting for more relevant recent data that paints a better picture of where growth is happening now. You entirely glossed over it with some odd fascination with just Vancouver and the GTA.

In terms of Calgary and Edmonton's growth - Yes they are more affordable but so are other markets that aren't growing as fast and that is because not only is Calgary and Edmonton more affordable than YVR and YYZ, but also that they do have economic opportunities to support growth. Oil is still a big part of our economy and still supports many jobs! The Ottawa CMA grew by almost 10 percent last census period. What you gonna call that pathetic too?

Obviously you need to be a certain size to add 100K every 6 years but guess what - there was a time when Vancouver and Toronto were small enough that they had less than 100K every 6 years - it takes time to become a certain size whereby even 5 percent growth equates to over 100K. London isn't there yet but mark my words here - keep an eye on it.
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Old 08-24-2023, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I don’t think he was saying people living in Victoria and working in Vancouver or living in Vancouver and working in Victoria. I think he means living and working in Victoria that why Victoria does not sprawl out.

Canadian cities just don’t seem to be as sprawling as US cities it seems.

No need to be jealous of US cities. Sprawl is bad. Smart growth is good. That's what they taught us in planning school down here in the US (and probably up in Canada too). Besides, even if you save on housing in a sprawled out city like Houston or Phoenix, you'll probably make up for it in transportation costs, insurance, and other necessities. The cheapest houses are likely going to be in some inconvenient hard to get to part of town.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Etobicoke
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I used to love to garden. The best part of living in Toronto to me was the zone 6 climate (except I never got used to rain and cloudy skies in winter). Winnipeg is zone 3. Calgary where I also used to live is zone 4a.
It doesn't rain in Calgary in the winter?

Also Toronto is USDA 5b.

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Old 08-24-2023, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Etobicoke
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There are 6 million people in the GTA and 15,500,632 in Ontario.

And million if you count all those cities.

I find it difficult more people are not moving to those cities out of the GTA unless the government on purpose is making those areas just as expensive to limit sprawl in southern Ontario.

If it was the US those cities would have over million people.
I don't know about that. Unless if everyone likes cold weather, they would have to compete with much warmer climes in sun belt US.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Canada
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It doesn't rain in Calgary in the winter?

Also Toronto is USDA 5b.
I don’t recall rain in Calgary in the winter months. It’s been several years since I lived there though.

“Toronto generally considered Zone 6” : Source

I used to try some Zone 7 plants in protected areas though, with mixed success.
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Old 08-24-2023, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Etobicoke
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I don’t recall rain in Calgary in the winter months. It’s been several years since I lived there though.

“Toronto generally considered Zone 6” : Source

I used to try some Zone 7 plants in protected areas though, with mixed success.
The article stated it's Canadian zone 6 which is equivalent to USDA zone 5 (the two classifications are not exactly the same). Can you specify which zone 7 plants you tried, because while it's possible it's usually not consistent.
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