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Old 08-24-2023, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Canada
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You’re source is correct, but it cuts off too early to show what I was referring too. Prices have been flat across the country recently but have held steady near their all time highs from early 2022. The big jump was in Fall 2020-Early 2022
OK, I used a different source which goes back to 2020: https://canadaimmigrants.com/average...e-in-winnipeg/

Average prices in Winnipeg increased 22% from July 2020 to July 2023. That’s not doubling in price.
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Old 08-24-2023, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I think all of southern British Columbia will be million or over million because of the weather.

If you look at Victoria or Vancouver you got very little land to sprawl out making it very difficult for city planners.
There is lots of room for expansion in the Victoria area.
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Old 08-24-2023, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Etobicoke
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If you look at Montreal and Quebec they clearly doing some thing different to keep housing prices down.

The cities in southern Ontario have not experienced much growth like the GTA most people are lock into GTA.

Windsor, Ontario
1971 population 209,300
2021 population 229,660

London, Ontario
1971 population 223,222
2021 population 422,324

Kitchener, Ontario
1971 population 111,805
2021 population 256,855

St. Catharines
1971 population 109,722
2021 population 136,803

Niagara Falls
1971 population 67,163
2021 population 94,415

Not much growth like the GTA.
Kitchener and London seems quite exponential.
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Old 08-24-2023, 01:21 PM
 
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Kitchener and London seems quite exponential.
There are 6 million people in the GTA and 15,500,632 in Ontario.

And million if you count all those cities.

I find it difficult more people are not moving to those cities out of the GTA unless the government on purpose is making those areas just as expensive to limit sprawl in southern Ontario.

If it was the US those cities would have over million people.
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Old 08-24-2023, 01:29 PM
 
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Source? I find that claim rather unbelievable.

Average housing prices for various cities in Canada last month:

https://wowa.ca/reports/canada-housing-market

Edited to add: If you scroll down you will also see separate graphs for Calgary and Winnipeg which show how their housing prices have changed over the last two years. Prices have been basically flat.
That map shows Vancouver $1,270,664 and Toronto $1,118,374 well Edmonton $409,986 and Calgary $539,461

Winnipeg is the cheapest at $376,656

Well the cities out of the GTA being still very costly like London $668,821 and Hamilton $847,087 well Ottawa $682,436

And Montreal $598,424
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Old 08-24-2023, 02:05 PM
 
Location: Canada
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That map shows Vancouver $1,270,664 and Toronto $1,118,374 well Edmonton $409,986 and Calgary $539,461

Winnipeg is the cheapest at $376,656

Well the cities out of the GTA being still very costly like London $668,821 and Hamilton $847,087 well Ottawa $682,436

And Montreal $598,424
I used to love to garden. The best part of living in Toronto to me was the zone 6 climate (except I never got used to rain and cloudy skies in winter). Winnipeg is zone 3. Calgary where I also used to live is zone 4a.
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Old 08-24-2023, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Average house price in my old home town, Brantford Ont. $900,000
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Old 08-24-2023, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Back in the days of the Soviet Union and Communist China before the reopening, the government had a free hand in doing just this with an iron fist. It was community planning at its most extreme, and if you were stuck in a thankless place, well tough luck. In a free economy and free society like that of the US and Canada, the government of course cannot do that. The O.P.'s idea sounds great on paper until the realization that the idea is not equitable and goes against the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Neither Ford nor Trudeau can tell anyone where or where not to move to or say to Toronto and Hamilton "Hey knock it off! You have too many people already and you're housing is too expensive. Stop marketing yourselves to newcomers so that Thunder Bay and Sudbury can catch up to you guys." I mean the whole idea sounds ludicrous and discriminatory doesn't it? The thought of why people, firms, and jobs congregate in certain places is all based on economies of scale. They congregate at places where they can maximize their potential and are willing to pay the highest price to do so or else they would not congregate there.
I agree with you here. I'd just add however that I do think we need governmental interventions to create a better environment for which housing can better accommodate the needs of the populace. Of course i'm not in favour of forced location on anyone. This is a fundamental freedom

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Average house price in my old home town, Brantford Ont. $900,000
Insane - Brantford used to be the place you could go relatively close to the GTA to get a cheaper abode - not anymore!

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Old 08-24-2023, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Canada is going to get hit very hard because everyone wants to live in the GTA area or Vancouver. The Vancouver area cannot sprawl because of the water and mountains.

Canada may have 20 to 30 cities but in reality it comes down to GTA area or Vancouver area people want to live.

The US has lot more cities and it is more spread out unlike Canada.

Many people just don’t want live out side of GTA area or Vancouver area.
I hate to burst your bubble but this isn't true. London Ontario is growing faster than any city in the GTA. Kitchener Waterloo while part of the GGH is not part of the GTA and growing faster than the GTA. Also, Montreal CMA is growing at the same rate as the Toronto CMA. Last I looked as well - Edmonton along with Ottawa are growing faster than Toronto/Montreal and Vancouver CMA's with Calgary faster than Toronto and Montreal and just below Vancouver.

My point is - high population growth in Canada is not just a GTA and Vancouver story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ions_in_Canada

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Old 08-24-2023, 06:40 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Average house price in my old home town, Brantford Ont. $900,000
I’ve always heard about Branford being a super sketchy place. Isn’t there a big drug problem there? I recall it being in the murder capitals at one point too. All for the low price of $900k. This province is ridiculous.
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