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Old 10-30-2023, 08:56 AM
 
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Is “Sainte-Marie” a common surname among some tribes?
No. Her last name was originally Santamaria. Father was Italian (mother was English) and her parents changed their name after WWII because of prejudice against Italians.
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:56 AM
 
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Is “Sainte-Marie” a common surname among some tribes?
It's a relatively common French Canadian name, and French Canadian surnames are common among Indigenous people all over Canada and the US.

That one doesn't stand out more than other specific ones which might.
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Old 10-30-2023, 08:59 AM
 
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No. Her last name was originally Santamaria. Father was Italian (mother was English) and her parents changed their name after WWII because of prejudice against Italians.
Interesting that it was her parents who changed it.

It nonetheless is a surname that would fit in reasonably well amongst the Indigenous population of the Canadian Prairies.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:04 AM
 
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No. Her last name was originally Santamaria. Father was Italian (mother was English) and her parents changed their name after WWII because of prejudice against Italians.
Very few Italian families in my neck of the woods changed their names.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:07 AM
 
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Very few Italian families in my neck of the woods changed their names. And even those who did wouldn’t deny their heritage.
I don't know many who did, either, but I am in NJ. There was a lot of prejudice against Italians here 100 years ago, but then everybody starting eating the food, so...

Buffy was from Massachusetts, Boston suburbs. Maybe a different dynamic there.

Anyway, her birth certificate says she was born Beverly Jean Santamaria. She claimed she was born Cree in Canada and adopted by her parents, but apparently not. CBC investigated and the town clerk pulled the birth certificate out of the file. Her niece says her DNA matches as a blood relative of Buffy's son, and that they are of European descent.

I guess when she started the story, it snowballed and she kept going, never foreseeing the Internet. Her brother apparently tried to tell the truth in the '60s and she threatened to tell that he had sexually abused her if he didn't shut up. Or so says the niece.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:10 AM
 
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Interesting that it was her parents who changed it.

It nonetheless is a surname that would fit in reasonably well amongst the Indigenous population of the Canadian Prairies.
The adaptation of French surnames must have been due to the influence of French Catholic missionaries. Spanish surnames are common among tribes in the American Southwest due to Spanish Catholic influence.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:11 AM
 
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I don't know many who did, either, but I am in NJ. There was a lot of prejudice against Italuans here 100 years ago, but then everybody starting eating the food, so...

Buffy was from Massachusetts, Boston suburbs. Maybe a different dynamic there.

Anyway, her birth certificate says she was born Beverly Jean Santamaria.
Lots of Italians in Massachusetts.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:22 AM
 
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Lots of Italians in Massachusetts.
Well, her father was one who decided to change his name.

I only knew one Italian person who did that. Shortened Quintavella to Quinn. His Italian friends were quite put out.

Again, this is 70 years ago. My mother grew up in the 1940s and her father told her never to date an Italian because they don't bathe and they all have sex with their own daughters. So the prejudices were real.
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Old 10-30-2023, 09:33 AM
 
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I don't know many who did, either, but I am in NJ. There was a lot of prejudice against Italians here 100 years ago, but then everybody starting eating the food, so...

Buffy was from Massachusetts, Boston suburbs. Maybe a different dynamic there.

Anyway, her birth certificate says she was born Beverly Jean Santamaria. She claimed she was born Cree in Canada and adopted by her parents, but apparently not. CBC investigated and the town clerk pulled the birth certificate out of the file. Her niece says her DNA matches as a blood relative of Buffy's son, and that they are of European descent.

I guess when she started the story, it snowballed and she kept going, never foreseeing the Internet. Her brother apparently tried to tell the truth in the '60s and she threatened to tell that he had sexually abused her if he didn't shut up. Or so says the niece.
The niece has proof of blackmail - letter handwritten by Buffy Sainte Marie. I bet the niece is daring her to sue.
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Old 10-30-2023, 10:02 AM
 
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The niece has proof of blackmail - letter handwritten by Buffy Sainte Marie. I bet the niece is daring her to sue.
Ah, I didn't hear that part!

She does deserve to be exposed. In my opinion, of course.
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