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Old 11-09-2023, 12:11 AM
 
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Interesting....but not entirely accurate to say the least....

Has the Hopi on the high plains, east of the Rockies (east of the Sangre De Cristo Mtns),
Hopi are acutally much farther west in NE Arizona.
Same with Navajo Nation....again, should be farther west.
Salish should extend to the Pacific Coast.
Blackfoot extending too far east.
Missing some too....where are the Shoshone?
..and Pueblo Indians of north central New Mexico?
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:07 AM
 
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In the 1960s it was very fashionable to say you were Indian. If she did create a persona, like a lot of other famous people have, it was part of her image and made her stand out in the crowd.

While her actions may have been misleading and potentially offensive to some Indians, it doesn't take away from the fact that she was a great and incredibly unique folksinger and song writer. And Indians in both the US and Canada did get a lot of acclamation out of that at the time owing to her popular performances.

Think of all the actors and actresses who changed their names to create personas. Do you remember Judy Garland or Frances Ethel Gumm?

Would Donald Trump be as successful as he has with his base of deplorables if he was Donald Drumpf and did not use the more palatable name Trump (Family name probably changed by his grandfather to avoid the German connection- would the g-father be said to be living a lie?). He wouldn't be the first performer politician to be a Wizard of Oz.

Bottom line, although a disappointing pose, it really shouldn't take everything away from her legacy and talent.
Beverly St. Marie is welcome to change her name. No one cares what she calls herself to sell music. What this folk singer from Massachusetts has done is steal opportunities from Indigenous People of Canada. Each time Beverly Buffy accepted an award that recognized Indigenous achievement, she deprived an Indigenous person from having that recognition, empowerment and success. Generations of lives could have been changed had the awards been given to Indigenous people. Instead, the awards were given to a woman who perpetrated a fraud on Canadians and Indigenous People of Canada.

Buffy Sainte Marie's fraud did not merely 'mislead and potentially offend some Indians'. As a Canadian, I am disgusted and offended with the brazen theft by Buffy Sainte Marie from Indigenous Canadians.

In fact, every award, honourary degree and humanitarian honour she received in Canada should be rescinded. She did not receive Queen Elizabeth's Diamond Jubilee Medal for being a good USA musician. She received it as a Canadian Indigenous musician. Same with the Order of Canada. Those awards are not for folksingers from Massachusetts.

How about this award: 1997 – JUNO Award for Best Music of Aboriginal Canada Recording? Imagine that this award was given to an aboriginal person? How would that award have changed that person's life, and the lives of their children? Look at all the awards that could have changed so many lives, but instead were given to a liar.
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Old 11-09-2023, 08:26 AM
 
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Interesting....but not entirely accurate to say the least....

Has the Hopi on the high plains, east of the Rockies (east of the Sangre De Cristo Mtns),
Hopi are acutally much farther west in NE Arizona.
Same with Navajo Nation....again, should be farther west.
Salish should extend to the Pacific Coast.
Blackfoot extending too far east.
Missing some too....where are the Shoshone?
..and Pueblo Indians of north central New Mexico?

Left out many nations and put others in the wrong place . Apaches never had an empire. The map was kind of weird.
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Old 11-09-2023, 11:18 AM
 
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Left out many nations and put others in the wrong place . Apaches never had an empire. The map was kind of weird.
Well do you have a better map then
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Old 11-09-2023, 11:57 AM
 
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Below is the answer to the question of why there are so many pretendians. This is the reason that Buffy Sainte Marie, aka Beverly St. Marie, falsely claimed to be Canadian and Indigenous. She is not the first, nor the last, to be exposed for exploiting Indigenous People of Canada for personal profit.

"Pretendians’ must be among the fastest growing cultural groups in Canada. A Pretendian is someone with little or no indigenous background who pretends to be indigenous.
...

In all of these cases, the Pretendians not only faked their First Nations ancestry – they also based their entire careers, and often their lives, around their purported indigenous connections.

These Pretendians would probably not exist were it not for Canada’s racialised affirmative-action policies. There are clear rewards – in the form of jobs with six-figure salaries, grants, awards and prestige – that encourage some people to pretend to be from a minority group. Affirmative-action programmes incentivise white Canadians to play at being Indian.
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Perhaps most importantly, Pretendians represent the 21st-century version of the ‘good Indian’. Actual indigenous people often have diverse opinions and may have trouble relating to elite members of Canadian society. Most inconveniently of all, they might not be willing to massage the Canadian elite’s white-saviour complex. Pretendians, on the other hand, can be relied on to parrot the official narrative promoted by the political establishment and the media. This holds that ‘white settler’ society and ‘racism’ are responsible for the ongoing oppression of indigenous people.
...

The Canadian establishment has a long history of sponsoring ‘good Indians’, in fact. Meanwhile it casts out those who do not affirm the elites’ self-image as white parents to a childlike race. White fraudsters have been complicit in this, coming to embody the idea of the ‘noble savage’."

March 2023
https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/0...be-indigenous/
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Old 11-09-2023, 01:14 PM
 
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I don't know many who did, either, but I am in NJ. There was a lot of prejudice against Italians here 100 years ago, but then everybody starting eating the food, so...

Buffy was from Massachusetts, Boston suburbs. Maybe a different dynamic there.

Anyway, her birth certificate says she was born Beverly Jean Santamaria. She claimed she was born Cree in Canada and adopted by her parents, but apparently not. CBC investigated and the town clerk pulled the birth certificate out of the file. Her niece says her DNA matches as a blood relative of Buffy's son, and that they are of European descent.

I guess when she started the story, it snowballed and she kept going, never foreseeing the Internet. Her brother apparently tried to tell the truth in the '60s and she threatened to tell that he had sexually abused her if he didn't shut up. Or so says the niece.
But....why? That's the $50,000 question. Why did she decide to do this? I'm surprised she was so easily accepted in the Indigenous world, back in the 60's, when she was new on the scene. That's not easy to do: pass as Native. He family must have been bewildered by it.

But recently, I read that she's used her money to fund efforts in the Indigenous community-at-large in North America. For example, she funded the takeover of Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay back in the 60's.
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Old 11-09-2023, 07:11 PM
 
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If I pretended to be from Quebec, would I be a “francofauxne”?
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Old 11-09-2023, 07:13 PM
 
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Years ago, when I was desperate for a job at a local factory, I checked the “American Indian” box on the application. I didn’t get a job.
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Old 11-09-2023, 08:02 PM
 
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Interesting....but not entirely accurate to say the least....

Has the Hopi on the high plains, east of the Rockies (east of the Sangre De Cristo Mtns),
Hopi are acutally much farther west in NE Arizona.
Same with Navajo Nation....again, should be farther west.
Salish should extend to the Pacific Coast.
Blackfoot extending too far east.
Missing some too....where are the Shoshone?
..and Pueblo Indians of north central New Mexico?
They're covered under "Anasazi". It would be helpful to provide a time period with the map. If the map is supposed to represent a time prior to European contact, it could be before the Navajos arrived in the Southwest. Anthropologists believe the Navajo arrived after the Anasazi broke up and migrated toward the Rio Grande, but Navajo rituals and other oral traditions contain information indicating they arrived during the Anasazi period, perhaps toward the end of it.


There's no Kiowa, and no Ojibwa/Chippewa, and the Great Lakes are almost invisible.
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Old 11-09-2023, 09:53 PM
 
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But....why? That's the $50,000 question. Why did she decide to do this? I'm surprised she was so easily accepted in the Indigenous world, back in the 60's, when she was new on the scene. That's not easy to do: pass as Native. He family must have been bewildered by it.

But recently, I read that she's used her money to fund efforts in the Indigenous community-at-large in North America. For example, she funded the takeover of Alcatraz Island in San Francisco Bay back in the 60's.

The "why" seems fairly obvious - to further her career. This is borne out by the post copying a past screen shot of her son stating that was the reason. Nothing could have been easier - the First Nations already knew their children were out there somewhere. Why would they be suspicious of someone claiming to be one of those children? People must also have hoped their children would find their way back. If you claim to have been raised by white people, you don't even have to pretend to have cultural knowledge.
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