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Old 11-24-2023, 08:49 PM
 
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Justin Trudeau claims that dwindling support for Ukraine is due to misinformation dispersed by "right wing MAGA" Americans. Is this accurate?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...aine-1.7039122
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Old 11-24-2023, 10:40 PM
 
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Justin Trudeau claims that dwindling support for Ukraine is due to misinformation dispersed by "right wing MAGA" Americans. Is this accurate?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...aine-1.7039122
Your quote? No, you're right, that's not accurate.

The real story is the rise of a right-wing, American MAGA-influenced thinking that has made Canadian Conservatives — who used to be among the strongest defenders of Ukraine, I'll admit it — turn their backs on something Ukraine needs in its hour of need," Trudeau said alongside EU Commission President Ursula Gertrud von der Leyen.
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Old 11-25-2023, 01:17 AM
 
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I think that Trudeau has over-simplified the situation in order to place blame on his opposing political party. Trudeau claims that foreigners have influenced Canadian Conservatives to the extent that they have lost sight of their values and can no longer think for themselves. That is why there is dwindling support in Canada for the Ukraine War, according to Trudeau.

The sheer notion of a political leader pointing fingers at people with opposing political values and blaming those people for whatever ails his government is frightening. I can't recall another Prime Minister of Canada pointing fingers like that except during an election, and then it's restricted to other politicians. To blame Canadians who lean Conservative (rather than Liberal or NDP) for loss of interest and dwindling support in Ukraine is bizarre next to what seems like an obstinate, foot-stomping announcement that he's giving a lot of weapons to Ukraine.

Ukraine/Russia war has been going on for almost two years. Now we have a war in the Middle East. How long are we supposed to have our attention fixated on one global problem? We have to worry about climate change and carbon tax, rising food costs, rent increases, covid, RSV and so much more that is happening in our backyards. Funding a foreign war just isn't a priority.

Trudeau can grandstand all he wants as he gives more weapons to Ukraine. No one will say no. However, he is out of line to claim that Canadians who have lost interest in his pet projects are Conservatives under the control and influence of foreign political ideology.

Trudeau is in a divorce and his wife is in the middle of another divorce. We need a Prime Minister who can lead the country without distraction.
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Old 11-25-2023, 02:04 AM
 
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Well, I agree he was grandstanding. I don't believe Conservatives have "turned their back on Ukraine" but Pollievre refusing the deal is not good for Ukraine, as Ukraine has said. Either Poilievre didn't understand the deal or was grandstanding in turn, twisting the meaning of the deal because his base believes everything that comes along and are against the carbon tax.

I do believe that the conspiratorial mindset has infiltrated conservatives from the US. It's like a new hobby or something to chuck one's brains out the door and believe anything, the more bizarre the better.
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Old 11-25-2023, 02:13 AM
 
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And about that divorce part, all I have to say about that is it proves the point that no one lnows what goes on in other people's relationships and it must be very painful for them.

I think basic human decency should be extended to people on their PRIVATE lives and let it be private. There's no evidence it has interfered with the job of PM.
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Old 11-25-2023, 09:04 AM
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It’s all traced back to the US MAGA right. If Trump was the president when Putin invaded Ukraine, the US MAGA would be very supportive for sending weapons to Ukraine. Their only ideology is finding stuff to blame Biden for. Many conservatives here admire Trump and watch internet videos from people like Jordan Peterson and Steven Crowder, etc. We’d still have opposition from the libertarian isolationist types (younger folks who like guns and stuff) and the far left Russia apologists on university campuses, but they would be a much smaller segment of the population. It’s American influenced for sure.
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Old 11-25-2023, 02:18 PM
 
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I don't think that mainstream Conservatives are swayed by right wing extremists in the country to the South. Right wing extremists in Canada probably have ties to the USA, as we saw with the Ottawa truck invasion, but they are not main stream Conservatives.

Trudeau mis-represented the conversation. Poilievre is against more carbon tax legislation, and Trudeau twisted this into claims that Conservatives are anti-Ukraine. The Prime Minister should be a straight shooter who does not manipulate information to tarnish the reputation of Canadian Conservatives. He needs to pull his emotions out of his job role.

"Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is defending his party's unanimous rejection of a bill seeking to update the Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement over carbon tax wording concerns, a move that has left the federal Liberals "gobsmacked."

Speaking to reporters on his way in to a caucus meeting on Wednesday morning, Poilievre said while his party is in favour of free trade with Ukraine, he is "against putting a carbon tax into any trade agreement."

The Liberals though, are framing the move as the Conservatives voting against supporting a country at war in its rebuilding efforts."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/libe...bill-1.6656043
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Old 11-25-2023, 03:45 PM
 
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I don't think that mainstream Conservatives are swayed by right wing extremists in the country to the South. Right wing extremists in Canada probably have ties to the USA, as we saw with the Ottawa truck invasion, but they are not main stream Conservatives.

Trudeau mis-represented the conversation. Poilievre is against more carbon tax legislation, and Trudeau twisted this into claims that Conservatives are anti-Ukraine. The Prime Minister should be a straight shooter who does not manipulate information to tarnish the reputation of Canadian Conservatives. He needs to pull his emotions out of his job role.

"Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is defending his party's unanimous rejection of a bill seeking to update the Canada-Ukraine Free Trade Agreement over carbon tax wording concerns, a move that has left the federal Liberals "gobsmacked."

Speaking to reporters on his way in to a caucus meeting on Wednesday morning, Poilievre said while his party is in favour of free trade with Ukraine, he is "against putting a carbon tax into any trade agreement."

The Liberals though, are framing the move as the Conservatives voting against supporting a country at war in its rebuilding efforts."

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/libe...bill-1.6656043

But the carbon emissions relate to EU standards and you'd think Poilievre should have known that.
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Old 11-25-2023, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Four Oaks
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Justin Trudeau claims that dwindling support for Ukraine is due to misinformation dispersed by "right wing MAGA" Americans. Is this accurate?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tru...aine-1.7039122
Trudeau has so many of his own issues up there, he should just keep his mouth shut.

If he's so worried about the Ukraine, then he should give Canada's GNP to them, and keep his nose out of our country's business.
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Old 11-25-2023, 04:01 PM
 
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Trudeau has so many of his own issues up there, he should just keep his mouth shut.

If he's so worried about the Ukraine, then he should give Canada's GNP to them, and keep his nose out of our country's business.
What Canadians want or don’t want in terms of Canadian political policies is Trudeau’s business.
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