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Old 02-20-2024, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Canada
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Is it even possible for a trans woman to breastfeed? I have a hard time believing this isn’t a clickbait hoax. There’s no shortage of those nowadays.

Edit: It looks like it’s possible through using the same medication that born female patients that are unable to naturally produce breast milk use. Is the medication in question the issue here? Because that’s a different argument than only wanting to restrict trans women from using it
The article says the medication (Motilium) has been known to cause heart problems in babies and according to the manufacturer, not recommended for lactation.

I find it interesting how much depends on where you make the spotlight shine - some will choose to read this as though transpeople are being denied a "right," but turn the spotlight a little more to the heart problems which resulted in these drugs being a drug that's not really recommended for real women and things look a little different.

So other than narcissism, why would a loving parent choose to do something they don't need to do and which can cause a child harm?
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Old 02-20-2024, 12:41 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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The article says the medication (Motilium) has been known to cause heart problems in babies and according to the manufacturer, not recommended for lactation.

I find it interesting how much depends on where you make the spotlight shine - some will choose to read this as though transpeople are being denied a "right," but turn the spotlight a little more to the heart problems which resulted in these drugs being a drug that's not really recommended for real women and things look a little different.

So other than narcissism, why would a loving parent choose to do something they don't need to do and which can cause a child harm?
You’re right, if it causes harm to babies it shouldn’t be done. I know there’s health benefits to breast milk but formula has been used for generations and if it’s safer it’s a better option.
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Old 02-20-2024, 01:02 PM
 
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I know there’s health benefits to breast milk but formula has been used for generations and if it’s safer it’s a better option.
Yes breast milk from real women.
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Old 02-20-2024, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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The article says the medication (Motilium) has been known to cause heart problems in babies and according to the manufacturer, not recommended for lactation.

I find it interesting how much depends on where you make the spotlight shine - some will choose to read this as though transpeople are being denied a "right," but turn the spotlight a little more to the heart problems which resulted in these drugs being a drug that's not really recommended for real women and things look a little different.

So other than narcissism, why would a loving parent choose to do something they don't need to do and which can cause a child harm?
Looks like there was potential for an entirely different headline there, but it was missed.
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Old 02-20-2024, 02:57 PM
 
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Looks like there was potential for an entirely different headline there, but it was missed.
Wouldn't be woke enough. We have to put men that think they are women before actual women. Kind of like we do with sports and rape shelters.

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Old 02-20-2024, 03:40 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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This topic has been beaten to death, we know where everyone on this forum stands. Just like we know where Danielle Smith and Pierre Pollievre stand on Ukraine.

The Russophile/Putinist far right is licking their chops at dividing Canadians with these culture war issues while they abandon our ally in Ukraine that millions of Canadians share as an ancestral homeland.

Danielle Smith is a traitor for inviting similar traitor Tucker Carlson to Alberta and her statements claiming Russia was “provoked” and therefore justified in their expansionist invasion of our ally.

Let’s focus on the topics that really count, like our world being torn about by authoritarian strongmen like Putin who want to manipulate conservatives in the West in supporting his fascist agenda.

Even if you are skeptical about transgender care, which as you know I am not, you should think twice before cheering on politicians that are pushing un-Canadian agendas like Danielle Smith and Pierre Pollievre: if there’s one thing we should be united on, it’s standing up to tyrants like Putin but now the damn aid bill was blocked while we were arguing about this crap. My WWI and WWII veteran family members wouldn’t believe their eyes that this of all issues is what Canada is preoccupied with
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Old 02-20-2024, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Centre Wellington, ON
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There is tons of reverence for doctors and scientists these days - provided they say what you want them to say.

Where does this idea come from that doctors and other scientific professionals can't ever be wrong or even be badly intentioned?

There is plenty of evidence that some fairly extreme trans activists who are highly intelligent have entered the medical community.

Remember that some doctors can abuse patients, harm patients, and 100 years ago the brightest medical and scientific minds were all for eugenics and stuff like forced sterilization.

Doctors aren't infallible gods.
Oh sure, lobotomies too. And they've gotten many things wrong in more recent times too in terms of what diets are healthy, what pharmaceuticals are beneficial for you, etc.
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Old 02-20-2024, 04:23 PM
 
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This topic has been beaten to death, we know where everyone on this forum stands. Just like we know where Danielle Smith and Pierre Pollievre stand on Ukraine.

The Russophile/Putinist far right is licking their chops at dividing Canadians with these culture war issues while they abandon our ally in Ukraine that millions of Canadians share as an ancestral homeland.

Danielle Smith is a traitor for inviting similar traitor Tucker Carlson to Alberta and her statements claiming Russia was “provoked” and therefore justified in their expansionist invasion of our ally.

Let’s focus on the topics that really count, like our world being torn about by authoritarian strongmen like Putin who want to manipulate conservatives in the West in supporting his fascist agenda


Even if you are skeptical about transgender care, which as you know I am not, you should think twice before cheering on politicians that are pushing un-Canadian agendas like Danielle Smith and Pierre Pollievre: if there’s one thing we should be united on, it’s standing up to tyrants like Putin but now the damn aid bill was blocked while we were arguing about this crap. My WWI and WWII veteran family members wouldn’t believe their eyes that this of all issues is what Canada is preoccupied with
What the hell are you talking about? How is Putin, Russia relevant to this topic? I haven't seen anyone support Russia on here. What do Putin or tucker carlson have to do with this topic? You are utterly obsessed with American political shows.

Yes we know you are not skeptical on transgnder issues and accept these things blindly. Even when other countries are putting a pause on these issues you are ok with sacrificing young kids for an ideological experiment. No one would be preocupied with this if people like you weren't pushing things on kids and their families.
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Old 02-20-2024, 04:25 PM
 
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Oh sure, lobotomies too. And they've gotten many things wrong in more recent times too in terms of what diets are healthy, what pharmaceuticals are beneficial for you, etc.
Gender affirming care is huge business in the US.
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Old 02-20-2024, 04:38 PM
pdw
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPQNGBvMqHI



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2voyyowjJNM

This is who the anti-LGBT crowd is cheering on? Just fundamentally un-Canadian. I’m tired of these Trump style politics being imported here. Ukraine is our ally and the federal conservatives just blocked a trade deal that would help them. There should be outrage but instead were arguing about whether doctors should be allowed to continue prescribing their trans minor patients gender affirming care.
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