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Old 03-22-2024, 04:55 PM
 
Location: Canada
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The "Uyghurs genocide" myth has been exposed already for what it is, an exaggerated myth indeed, Taiwan is officially part of China and China would not invade the Philippines. Sure, China is expanding its sphere of influence (it comes with the power) and created the artificial islands, they are not angels for sure but far far from being Nazi.
Re Uyghurs: that is just not true. https://theconversation.com/un-repor...enocide-189917
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Old 03-22-2024, 05:48 PM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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I have a tower in London to sell if you are interested.
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Bridge. Not Tower
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Old 03-22-2024, 06:03 PM
 
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Bridge. Not Tower
Tower of London https://www.hrp.org.uk/tower-of-london/
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Old 03-22-2024, 06:06 PM
 
Location: ottawa, ontario, canada
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Well aware of the tower but it’s the bridge that was “sold”
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Old 03-22-2024, 06:19 PM
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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The "Uyghurs genocide" myth has been exposed already for what it is, an exaggerated myth indeed, Taiwan is officially part of China and China would not invade the Philippines. Sure, China is expanding its sphere of influence (it comes with the power) and created the artificial islands, they are not angels for sure but far far from being Nazi.
Lol I can sure see I was right on the money with my assessment. You’re a wumao China apologist who’s rooting for the decline of the West. No wonder you hate foreign volunteers in Ukraine, you want Putin to succeed so the PLA feels empowered to launch an invasion of Taiwan. You keep mentioning Manichaeism as if the United States has to be completely perfect and innocent to acknowledge they are a much better power for the security and stability of the world than authoritarian regimes like China or Russia would be. That’s not an argument. To quote Biden “don’t compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative”. There’s a lot of things to criticize the US about, but to think throwing the world into turmoil in hopes of a multi polar world being better is just ridiculous. The US can share a power balance with other liberal democracies like the EU, Australia and Japan. Until Russia, North Korea, China and Iran give up their insane ideals, they are absolutely the worse alternative
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Old 03-22-2024, 06:34 PM
 
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Well aware of the tower but it’s the bridge that was “sold”
The Brooklyn Bridge
https://nycwalks.com/blog/the-brookl...o-sell-to-you/
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Old 03-22-2024, 09:55 PM
 
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who’s rooting for the decline of the West.
There is not need for rooting, the west is doing a dandy job by itself.

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You keep mentioning Manichaeism as if the United States has to be completely perfect and innocent to acknowledge they are a much better power for the security and stability of the world than authoritarian regimes like China or Russia would be. That’s not an argument. To quote Biden “don’t compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative”. There’s a lot of things to criticize the US about, but to think throwing the world into turmoil in hopes of a multi polar world being better is just ridiculous. The US can share a power balance with other liberal democracies like the EU, Australia and Japan. Until Russia, North Korea, China and Iran give up their insane ideals, they are absolutely the worse alternative

That is exactly the point. Nobody is perfect so do not elevate yourself to judge vs. other system. The entire world does not share our values and not all nations can be liberal democracies, whatever that term mean nowadays.
There are societies that are perfectly fine and happy not being liberal democracies.

Do you even know how power structure works in China? Do you know that actually there is "democracy" in the Chinese system at local level and local leaders are selected to go up the ranks based on their results?
I bet you have no idea.

Something for you to steer you in the right direction of actually understanding the world....learn, learn, learn

"Eric X. Li: A tale of two political systems"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YjL9rZyR0&t=645s

Would I like to live in China or under a Chinese like system? No. That does not means that our system is inherently superior....and please, before you say it, do not compare China to the Middle East monarchies.

The multi polar world is a reality, better start to like it, there is no going back.

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Old 03-22-2024, 10:01 PM
 
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In the geographic area of the so called genocide, the Uyghurs population actually increases instead of decreasing...that is a very strange genocide.
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Old 03-22-2024, 10:07 PM
 
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[quote=Luisito80;66561978]Taiwan is not part of China and are not under the CCP.
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Taiwan is officially part of China, they are a "rebel province".

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Bullying is not the same as influence.
The two things often overlap. I'm not defending China, I'm just saying that the comparison to Nazi Germany is silly.
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Old 03-22-2024, 10:08 PM
 
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In the geographic area of the so called genocide, the Uyghurs population actually increases instead of decreasing...that is a very strange genocide.
The number of people in xinjiang province is increasing due to the number of Han CHinese that move there. Who said the Uyghurs population is increasing, the CCP?

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