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Old 09-02-2011, 02:59 PM
 
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Privately owned and managed.

Similar to the way a family doctor owns and manages their own family practice, and makes a profit, yet bills the government for services.
Well that isn't the way it works.
Private hospitals are owned and run by profit corporations, foundations or individuals for profit and they bill the clients, not the government. The fees are paid out of their own pocket or via their private insurance companies.
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:08 PM
 
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In the 45 years i've been in Canada the healthcare system has never let me down. Sure there have been occasions when i've had to wait a little longer than i would have liked but in the end everything got taken care of with courtesy and competence..If the op is asking if i'd trade The Canadian system for the American system of healthcare? i'd say no chance for me, but if there are those out there who want to pay mega bucks for private healthcare by all means spend that dough....
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Old 09-02-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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I hardly make use of our health care system. At least I thought so until I found out that a friend had never been to a doctor for the last 13 years prior to his first visit.

Vancouver has private health care system for a long time now, except that it isn't openly publicized; thus few know about it. In the 90's, a foreign diplomat (a consul) brought his wife to the ER for treatment around midnight or past it. The doctor on duty notified the RCMP, and the "embarrassed" diplomat was charged with battering his wife. If we had private health care then, then it could have been swept under the carpet without making headlines the next day.

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Old 09-02-2011, 05:56 PM
 
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The doctor on duty notified the RCMP, and the poor guy was charged with battering his wife. If we had private health care then, then it could have been swept under the carpet without making headlines the next day.
Your OK with wife beaters having their dastardly deeds swept under the rug? not sure i agree with you on that one dougie..
What is the benefit of having a universal health care system and then throwing it away to go big bucks on private health care ?
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Old 09-02-2011, 06:06 PM
 
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Your OK with wife beaters having their dastardly deeds swept under the rug? not sure i agree with you on that one dougie..
What is the benefit of having a universal health care system and then throwing it away to go big bucks on private health care ?
No jambo101. That's why I edited my post not knowing how to phrase it.
Firstly, the diplomatic community can exercise their diplomatic immunity.
If they murder someone within their premises, they can get away with it.
It is hard for our traffic cop to hand them traffic tickets because of some Geneva convention agreement ... I've got to look up on that one.

You cannot enforce a universal health care system on certain groups, who are global residents. That is a fact of life.
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Old 09-02-2011, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Oakville, ON
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Well that isn't the way it works.
Private hospitals are owned and run by profit corporations, foundations or individuals for profit and they bill the clients, not the government. The fees are paid out of their own pocket or via their private insurance companies.
My wife previously served as an executive with one of the major private health care facilities in British Columbia. Yes they were private, and yes they billed the government for the majority of their services. (You can have both). A private vs. a public business is defined by ownership, not who gets the bill. Plenty of private companies have government contracts in which a public service is delivered by a private entity. Healthcare is not the only example.

If you want to argue over semantics, and definition of the word "private", I'm not really interested. If you're interested in having a rational discussion of the state of Canadian healthcare I'm all ears.
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:18 AM
 
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As an immigrant in Canada, I'd be much more happy if I had freedom of choice. I cannot opt out the system. I must pay into it. If I had option, I'd consider pros and cons and may get out of the system if it is in my advantage.
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Old 09-04-2011, 09:25 AM
 
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As an immigrant in Canada, I'd be much more happy if I had freedom of choice. I cannot opt out the system. I must pay into it. If I had option, I'd consider pros and cons and may get out of the system if it is in my advantage.
I don't think our system is perfect. I wouldn't opt out because I don't want an insurance company deciding my risk factors, and billing me accordingly. People on the prairies (I can't speak for the rest of the country); saw so much despair and poverty during the Great Depression of the 1930's, that they embraced the concept of Tommy Douglas's universal health care. If one has the means they can access private health care (several of the aging folks in my family have done so). There's always room for improvement but I would never want to go to a systen that does not offer some type of universality for all Canadian. JMHO.
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Old 09-04-2011, 07:33 PM
 
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We need to start experimenting with different forms of private health care.
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Old 09-04-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I would gladly take the Canadian System, over the Inhumane disgrace of a Health Care System we have here in the US. I would gladly pay more in US taxes to fund a similiar system in this country. A system so every person has health care. Health care should be a part of a persons citizenship, and not something you only have if you can pay. Even though I have always had Health Insurance it only pays so much, and there is always a huge bill to pay after the insurance pays. If its not paid the bill goes and very quickly to a collection agency. Our health care system is about big money being made for Hospitals/Doctors and the drug companies, and we all know it and nothing is done.

No matter whatever flaws the Canadian system has, please don't ever consider adopting the pitiful system we have in the USA. A system that is rather segregated by who can pay and who cannot. Believe me when I say there are many in this country that work all day but have no Health Insurance and are refused care.

We are endlessly told by many US politicans and as far as I'm concerned, some thoughtless and cold Americans how bad the Canadian system is. We are told there are long long waits for doctor appointments and surgeries. That the health care itself is subpar and way below the US standards of Care. I don't believe one bit of it. I have met many Canadians that prefer their system over ours, and want no part of a similiar US system and I don't blame them one bit.
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