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Most debates against Universal Healthcare use that as an example, or claim they'll become communists if they have universal healthcare. Europe (France, Italy, Germany etc) is a better example of Universal Healthcare plus they also have the option of privitized healthcare like the States and their Healthcare always ranks better then ours. How many countries with Universal healthcare are communist or have been communist. I think you all know the answer.
The use of the term "Communist" in such debates is invariably hyperbole. Thus its not to be taken seriously.
I am curious as to how one of the chief selling points of Universal healthcare is that you "have the option of privatized healthcare." Universal healthcare exists because nations do not believe it should be in private hands and supposedly only benefit those with means. Fair enough.
So then how can part of the problem (privatized healthcare) be part of the solution (Universal healthcare). This strikes me either as a blatant contradiction or a subtle admission that Universal healthcare is an inadequate option as it will frequently fail thus requiring the private option afterall.
Obviously you are very liberal and passionate about the health care system. As you are an american, I'd like to know what personal experience you have had dealing with universal health care?
Again, I LOVE the idea of helping all people receive care. I just don't think our central gov't is the place to get that help. I see too many ways for it to fail--fail the very people it is supposed to help.
No we aren't quitters nor am I ultra rich (at least not by my last count). But in my opinion, HAVING EXPERIENCED UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE AND WITNESSED IT WHEN IT FAILS, I believe the USA must seek answers for this problem with a different end result.
And for the poster upset that people sick and dying and kids with strep who aer poor don't get treated here, well it is a nice utopian way to believe those people would all be helped by unversal, gov't managed health care. But, imagine you are in the netherlands and you get strep and you go to the doctor to get help, but HEY THEY DON'T BELIEVE IN GIVING PRESCRIPTIONS FOR ANTIBIOTICS so you go home and treat the child with home health care. Then the strep becomes scarlett fever--far more expensive to fix and far more deadly to the child. Hmmm, now will they please give the child mega doses of antibiotics? Maybe.
And if you are 29 and find blood in your stool, and the doctor in Canada says, well it's probably nothing and you're not in the risk bracket, so ignore it-- oh but wait-- you are suffering from colon cancer and it's progressed to stage four and guess what... no tests for the non risk group because THEY ARE TOO EXPENSIVE. SO YOU DIE BECAUSE YOU WERE TOO YOUNG TO GET TESTED FOR A DREADFUL DISEASE.
Canada's system isn't perfect.
I know too many people who have immigrated to the USA from socialistic nations who cringe when they hear talk about UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE.
But heck, what not give it a try? Then the lawyers (democrat or republican) who sue doctors for mal practice will be out of business here and that wouldn't be so bad. Cause if you suffer serious malpractice in Canada for your FREE HEALTH CARE. You ahve NO RECOURSE. I know of a guy who lost his LEG due to malpractice... so wrong.
So there are two sides to every coin. And it's just rude to accuse someone of being insensitive and uncaring just because they don't agree with one's ideas.
As a Canadian and reading your posts I can say that you know absolutely nothing about our health care system. Less than nothing when you tell such lies.
Here is just one example to refute your falsehoods. Specialist Medical Malpractice Lawyers Canada : Compensation Advice
I was born and raised in canada, and moved to the states in my mid 20's. I can't say which I think is better, cuz the whole time I've been in the states, the only coverage I got was medic-aid for when our son was born. If you don't have any type of insurance in the states, you are pretty much screwed. We have been without, and only in a couple months we will finally have coverage through my husbands new job. We did get some private coverage on two seperate occassions, but it was costing us alot more a month (just for our son) than they even covered for his regular check ups.
picture this: you are a fairly low income Canadian working as a construction worker, barely able to feed your family. You fall off the roof of a house and break your back, and need surgery. At this point, being unable to work and unable to afford the surgery, in the usa you would be screwed. In Canada, you get your surgery and eventually get working again. Obviously, some Americans would dispute this, but the truth is obvious.
picture this: you are a fairly low income Canadian working as a construction worker, barely able to feed your family. You fall off the roof of a house and break your back, and need surgery. At this point, being unable to work and unable to afford the surgery, in the usa you would be screwed. In Canada, you get your surgery and eventually get working again. Obviously, some Americans would dispute this, but the truth is obvious.
1. If you are a fairly low income construction worker, why are you starting a family you can't afford? 2. Lots of construction workers/companies have worker's comp. I know, b/c these people come through our ED. Worker's comp will cover your medical costs. 3. There is also social security/disability available for your time of disability. I know, b/c I know the people who arrange for this. 4. Everyone in the U.S. gets emergency surgery if it's needed. You don't come to the hospital with appendicitis and hear, "Oh, you can't have an appendectomy b/c you don't have insurance."
picture this: you are a fairly low income Canadian working as a construction worker, barely able to feed your family. You fall off the roof of a house and break your back, and need surgery. At this point, being unable to work and unable to afford the surgery, in the usa you would be screwed. In Canada, you get your surgery and eventually get working again. Obviously, some Americans would dispute this, but the truth is obvious.
Well look, I'm not going to go through this entire 100 page thread. Lol, It's alot of pages so I'm not going to even bother. But anyway, you are completely mad if you think Canadian healthcare is better than in the U.S.
I was suprised I didn't die while I lived in Montreal with all the injuries and colds I had. And anything I got like medicine and whatnot was from over-the-counter pharmacies or from medicine my family already had. It was never doctor prescribed because it took such a long time to get an apointment! I'm glad I live here in the U.S. where I can get a quick checkup and anything else in a week's notice.
there are walk in clinics on eveyblock, you just go in wait 5 min-35 min (depending on how busy) and get checked up...they do or don't give a prescription.....it's easy
i don't know what people complain about, there are doctors all over the place and hospitals too
my husband and kids have been to the hospital and had the same wait times we had when we lived in the states....but we aren't in debt over it here
i have lived in both countries and prefer the preace of mind i have in canada for health care, especially when i see my aging parents
i watched "sicko" and it seems crazy that heath care is privatized when it is such an important thing
there are walk in clinics on eveyblock, you just go in wait 5 min-35 min (depending on how busy) and get checked up...they do or don't give a prescription.....it's easy
i don't know what people complain about, there are doctors all over the place and hospitals too
my husband and kids have been to the hospital and had the same wait times we had when we lived in the states....but we aren't in debt over it here
i have lived in both countries and prefer the preace of mind i have in canada for health care, especially when i see my aging parents
i watched "sicko" and it seems crazy that heath care is privatized when it is such an important thing
Seriously?....that was your first mistake.
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