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Old 04-28-2010, 08:42 PM
 
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This is my first post. I want to tell you all about what happened to me when I returned from the USA , back into Canada with a used truck I purchased. Tell me what you think. Was I treated fairly? I found a 43 year old restored truck in the USA for a real good price. The owner was asking $8000. I went to look at it with cash in hand and purchased it for the asking price. I followed all the rules as stated on the forms that the Canadian boarder gave me, filled out all the papers, faxed a copy of the title to the USA boarder, waited 72 hours and then picked up the truck and drove it home. when I got to the USA side of the boarder I went inside and presented the paper work. The USA guard checked and stamped my title, confirmed the serial number on my new (used) truck and let me go. I then went to the Canadian side of the boarder. I was asked some questions regarding the sale and how I found out about the truck and then was told to go inside, present my paper work and pay the GST tax etc. When I got in everything was going fine. The guard did all the paper work stamped everything, I paid the $400. GST and then was asked to sit down and wait. About 15 minutes later I was summond to the desk again and was asked what I paid for the truck. I said $8000. She then said she didn't believe me. She said she went online and checked the price of other 43 year old trucks similar and she believed I was lying. I told her again I paid $8000 and that I had the bill of sale and title. She asked me if I had any other proof of how much I paid. Unfortunitly I had paid in cash and had no copy of a cheque. I gave her the phone number of the seller. I was then escorted into a back interigation room. She explained to me that I was under suspition of lying about the price. She said "If I confessed right now I would only be charged a fee and let go, but if I continued lying to her I would be charged, investigated and when found guilty be charged with a federal offence." I thought about what to do. I paid $8000. do I lie and say I paid more so that I just had to pay a fine and go home, or do I tell the truth again and risk being charged and possibly loosing my truck? I said again, "I am not lying I paid $8000 for the truck. she told me to go back to the waiting area. she then went outside with me, ask me to stand in front of the vehicle while she searched it. While she was searching a stranger walked up to me and said "nice truck! If you don't mind me asking...what did you pay?" I said $8000. (Another guard???) When she finished searching the truck she told me to sit in the waiting area again. She then went to my fathers' car. (He drove me into the USA to pick up the truck. When he crossed behind me he was asked to wait in his car as well.) The gaurd then went to his car and searched it and I later found out she asked him how much I paid for my truck. He said $8000.) So after 2 hours I was allowed to leave. I was respectful the whole time and I understand the guards are under stress, but I must say I feel like I was unjustly accused of being a liar and a thief. I felt very ashamed even thpough I did nothing wrong. On the contrary, I did EXACTLY everything I was asked to do. So again, what is your opinion?...Was I treated fairly?
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Old 04-28-2010, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
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I think the treatment in this instance was unfair but to their credit they have people scamming them constantly .

That said, I find the fact that we are penalized heavily for deciding to not overpay here in Canada to be ridiculous. Frankly if I buy something in the States I don't think I should pay any Canadian tax on that item but that's my opinion and your mileage may vary (I am a citizen of both countries)

I am happy to pay our somewhat exorbitant but necessary sales taxes here in Canada but I take issue when I am forced to pay them on items purchased outside of Canada.

If you have the bill of sale stating 8000, that should have been sufficient for the CBSA. End of story.
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Old 04-29-2010, 04:14 AM
 
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Try to avoid female officers next time you cross the border as they always seem to be in a bitchy mood.
I'd say you got more hassle than necessary but its over now.
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Old 04-29-2010, 05:04 AM
 
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The reality is if I would have paid, let's say $16000 for the truck the difference in taxes charged would have been $400. The way i was treated you would have thought I was smuggling drugs or something. As far as female officers, are concerned they are equally as bitchy as most of the male officers. I cross all the time and I have way more hassles returning to Canada than I do when I enter the USA.
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Old 04-29-2010, 06:40 AM
 
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If you don't like the fact that Canadians shop in the US, why not stop charging 20-100% more on everything in Canada?
My girlfriend always buys cosmetic products in the US, which are usually 50% cheaper for the exact brand. You would be a fool to shop in Canada if you are able to do it in the US. Fortunately she doesn't have to pay any bull**** GST on small items which can be hidden pretty well.
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:09 AM
 
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If you don't like the fact that Canadians shop in the US, why not stop charging 20-100% more on everything in Canada?
My girlfriend always buys cosmetic products in the US, which are usually 50% cheaper for the exact brand. You would be a fool to shop in Canada if you are able to do it in the US. Fortunately she doesn't have to pay any bull**** GST on small items which can be hidden pretty well.
I agree 100%

Vehicles are the worst though. When I was in the market for a motorcycle, it didn't take me long to start searching in the States. The exact same bike across the border is about 2K less. I don't get the used market in Canada. I don't know if people are cheap and trying to get rich off junk or their just trying to mirror the rest of the country with over charging, but its a little ridiculous.

That's probably why there like this at the border. Probably ticked that you didn't spend your money in Canada.
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Old 04-29-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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I agree 100%

Vehicles are the worst though. When I was in the market for a motorcycle, it didn't take me long to start searching in the States. The exact same bike across the border is about 2K less. I don't get the used market in Canada. I don't know if people are cheap and trying to get rich off junk or their just trying to mirror the rest of the country with over charging, but its a little ridiculous.

That's probably why there like this at the border. Probably ticked that you didn't spend your money in Canada.
True. If you shop at craiglist, the same old table people ask for $20 in the US could be listed for $80. Sometimes I am dumbfounded to see someone bought a couch a year ago for $1000 and still want to sell for $800 now or trying to sell a crappy old peeling so called "beautiful antique" coffee table for $250. I was like, are you serious? Who would be stupid enough to buy that?

I have been shopping for TVs and the same Sony model sells for $1099 in Canada vs $849 in the US, both at BestBuy, a 30% difference! I guess I will just stop shopping until it is on a big sale otherwise I feel dumb
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Old 04-30-2010, 06:39 PM
 
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That's a crazy story, OP! It sucks to be treated like a criminal when you haven't done anything wrong.

Did you get a really good deal on the trucK? Is that why she was so sure that you were lying?
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:51 AM
 
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I don't know whether I'd describe your experience as fair or unfair, however inconvenient it was. An RCMP friend says the border guards can basically do whatever they want to and there is no such thing as the assumption of innocence at the border. For example, when someone goes to the States for a weekend, the onus is on that person to prove via hotel or meal receipts that he/she was actually out of the country for that period of time.

We have an acquaintance whose father (a Canadian) lived and taught at a US college for many years and when she went to visit, she obviously stayed with him. Unlike you, she made a point of creating a fuss when asked to prove how long she'd been out of the country. It never got her anywhere but a few extra hours in the customs office.

So it's unfortunate certainly that this happened to you, but a receipt can be hand written by anyone to reflect anything and only something like a cheque or credit card can prove exactly what was paid.

In Manitoba the public insurance company used to register vehicles and collect sales tax according to the receipts provided by the would-be registrant but too many people were shpwing up with receipts with the written price well below what the vehicle was worth. You used to be able to claim the seller sold you a Porsche for a dollar and that is what the PST would be collected at.

They've changed it now so that no matter what the receipt says, they collect PST and GST on the blue book value.

As most people have admitted in this thread, most people try to get away without claiming the true amount of their purchases across the border. So, the border people have reason enough to be suspicious.

Which isn't to say that I like crossing the border. I find Canadian border guards particularly rude and obnoxious. But you kept your cool and that is a good thing since it only makes it worse if you argue with them. (I go through HELL everytime I cross the border with my husband - he does not understand that telling them they are comparable to the KGB will not get us home faster )
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Old 05-01-2010, 03:05 PM
 
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I don't know whether I'd describe your experience as fair or unfair, however inconvenient it was. An RCMP friend says the border guards can basically do whatever they want to and there is no such thing as the assumption of innocence at the border. For example, when someone goes to the States for a weekend, the onus is on that person to prove via hotel or meal receipts that he/she was actually out of the country for that period of time.

We have an acquaintance whose father (a Canadian) lived and taught at a US college for many years and when she went to visit, she obviously stayed with him. Unlike you, she made a point of creating a fuss when asked to prove how long she'd been out of the country. It never got her anywhere but a few extra hours in the customs office.

So it's unfortunate certainly that this happened to you, but a receipt can be hand written by anyone to reflect anything and only something like a cheque or credit card can prove exactly what was paid.

In Manitoba the public insurance company used to register vehicles and collect sales tax according to the receipts provided by the would-be registrant but too many people were shpwing up with receipts with the written price well below what the vehicle was worth. You used to be able to claim the seller sold you a Porsche for a dollar and that is what the PST would be collected at.

They've changed it now so that no matter what the receipt says, they collect PST and GST on the blue book value.

As most people have admitted in this thread, most people try to get away without claiming the true amount of their purchases across the border. So, the border people have reason enough to be suspicious.

Which isn't to say that I like crossing the border. I find Canadian border guards particularly rude and obnoxious. But you kept your cool and that is a good thing since it only makes it worse if you argue with them. (I go through HELL everytime I cross the border with my husband - he does not understand that telling them they are comparable to the KGB will not get us home faster )
Does using a check or credit card really prove anything, though? Couldn't you just pay part of the cost with cash and part with a check or credit card?

LOL at your husband telling them that they're comparable to the KGB!
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