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Old 07-09-2012, 04:39 PM
 
Location: DFW
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he is not a God though and reality might just smack him right in his toothy face because he can only hide behind the cult for so long and for some reasons. He is not above the law.
OMG! I can hear the Cruise voice-over now, a la Jerry Maguire. Suri and Katie are shown happily walking along, while the kidnapping plan is narrated.
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Old 07-09-2012, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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he is not a God though and reality might just smack him right in his toothy face because he can only hide behind the cult for so long and for some reasons. He is not above the law.
i guess you aren't a member of the ex-scn forum where all the missing people have been discussed - for years. there has been no accountability whatsoever. these people have basically just vanished. the higher up they are, the most likely to "disappear".
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Old 07-09-2012, 05:02 PM
 
Location: southern born and southern bred
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i guess you aren't a member of the ex-scn forum where all the missing people have been discussed - for years. there has been no accountability whatsoever. these people have basically just vanished. the higher up they are, the most likely to "disappear".

am aware. Just saying Tom is too high profile to get away with such
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:25 PM
 
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you have obviously not been involved with this cult. it isn't about who has more dirt to sling. either his child is "in" or she is as good as dead to him.
You're correct, I have never been in this cult and never will be in this or any cult. For whatever reason TC has signed a legal document that limits the church's actions towards Suri. Now, maybe when she's 18 he'll try and indoctrinate her into the church. All bets are off once she's legally an adult. The church is not going to make TC choose. He's their #1 member and they will do everything to keep his allegiance. The rules don't apply to TC.
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Old 07-09-2012, 06:43 PM
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You're correct, I have never been in this cult and never will be in this or any cult. For whatever reason TC has signed a legal document that limits the church's actions towards Suri. Now, maybe when she's 18 he'll try and indoctrinate her into the church. All bets are off once she's legally an adult. The church is not going to make TC choose. He's their #1 member and they will do everything to keep his allegiance. The rules don't apply to TC.
Maybe celebrities are held to a different law then the other leaders/followeres. They like their $$$, influence and publicity.

According to the documentary I watched they are treated like royalty.
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Old 07-09-2012, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Bay Area
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TC has signed a legal document that limits the church's actions towards Suri. .
i'd love to see where you read that.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Texas
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i'm not disagreeing with that whatsoever. HE will though. they think they are gods. he will likely not just walk away. what he has agreed to NOW and what is actually going to happen are possibly two very different things.
I learned a lot about Scientology by reading Andrew Morton's unauthorized bio of Cruise.
One thing is that they believe in something called "disconnect." A disconnect happens when the member's family members are not Scientologists. The members just cut them off completely. It will be interesting to see if a disconnect happens between Tom and Katie/Suri.
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Old 07-09-2012, 09:45 PM
 
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From TMZ (yeah I know)

TMZ has learned, the divorce settlement between Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes is extremely complicated, outlining things both Tom and Katie can and cannot do with Suri.

Here's what we know:

-- Katie will have what amounts to primary physical custody, but Tom has significant custodial time with his daughter.

-- A report claiming that Suri must be in the presence of Katie's bodyguard and nanny when she is around Tom is "absolutely, 100% false."

-- The custodial provisions of the agreement are extremely detailed, and religion is one of the topics. We're told there are restrictions on what Tom and Katie can discuss with Suri on the subject of religion, including Scientology, however, those restrictions are eased the older Suri gets.

In short, we're told the agreement is extremely detailed and outlines a course of conduct for years to come.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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One thing is that they believe in something called "disconnect." A disconnect happens when the member's family members are not Scientologists. The members just cut them off completely. It will be interesting to see if a disconnect happens between Tom and Katie/Suri.
Between Tom & Katie, absolutely! I doubt they'll ever speak again unless they have to. They'll communicate through representatives, just like he's done with ex-wife Nicole.

As for being "cut off," "disconnected," "shunned," keep in mind that TC is the cult's biggest benefactor ($$$$$), defender, sales agent, and celebrity. Do people really think the church is going to cut him out of anything? Or do anything to anger him so that he stops donating millions? TC only hobnobs with Miscaviage and a few top people. He employs scores of $ciens on his staff. If $ciens plebs "disconnected" from TC he wouldn't even know it because he doesn't hang with them. Miscaviage isn't going to do anything to stop the golden goose from laying his golden eggs; this cult is big business and they are not so pure in their beliefs that they will hold TC to the same standard they would the average Joe off the street.

Neither will the cult do anything to Suri--at least not until she's allowed to hear about the "religion." She will be with her mother most of the time and will be insulated in TC's world with his trusted family members. If he honors the agreement, the church isn't going to do a darn thing about it, nor can they. What are they going to do...storm TC's mansion and kidnap Suri? If the $cien staff @ TC's tries anything KH will hear surely about it and holy hell will be raised, and a legal battle will be waged to keep him away from Suri.
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Old 07-09-2012, 10:13 PM
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As for being "cut off," "disconnected," "shunned," keep in mind that TC is the cult's biggest benefactor ($$$$$), defender, sales agent, and celebrity. Do people really think the church is going to cut him out of anything? Or do anything to anger him so that he stops donating millions? TC only hobnobs with Miscaviage and a few top people. He employs scores of $ciens on his staff. If $ciens plebs "disconnected" from TC he wouldn't even know it because he doesn't hang with them. Miscaviage isn't going to do anything to stop the golden goose from laying his golden eggs; this cult is big business and they are not so pure in their beliefs that they will hold TC to the same standard they would the average Joe off the street.
Tom's having a banner year....they (the Scientologists) should be thrilled.

Tom Cruise Tops Our List Of Hollywood's Highest-Paid Actors - Forbes
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