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Old 06-22-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Also, isn't there a lawsuit current (filed this year or last)? This is about her brother and husband that currently work for Deen where they were forcing staff to watch porn and where they were using racial slurs in the restaurant and Deen did nothing to stop the behavior and or hostile working environment. The employee that is suing Deen is white BTW.

Don't feel sorry for Deen knowing this.

Take a look at the following article, also very interesting that black workers if true in today's times would be told to use the restroom outback.

http://www.accessatlanta.com/news/en...-rest-1/nQRtT/
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:01 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Nice try but you're wrong. Here is Paula Deen's actual statement:

So clearly, Deen was nostalgic for a plantation style wedding where the waiters are slaves. Obviously in Deen's fantasy, the "quietly dignified negroes" have no choice but to "savor" the only "jobs" they could ever have.
You responded to my post and said they were slaves. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. I made a social statement regarding the times not remotely related to Paula Deen or what she said. I addressed the issue, not the individual.

Don't try again. You just don't get it.

G'Day
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:04 PM
 
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I don't see ANYTHING that says she hopes the good old days would return. It is something she said years and years ago.

I don't think she should settle out of court. I wouldn't if I knew someone were making a claim against me just to extort money from me. I would fight it. Settling out of court is what people HOPE for. If no one fought it and just settled out of court, just think of all the lawsuits that would be filed.
The bit about the plantation wedding was in 2007, IIRC. Not "years and years ago".
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:23 PM
 
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You responded to my post and said they were slaves. You were wrong then and you're wrong now. I made a social statement regarding the times not remotely related to Paula Deen or what she said. I addressed the issue, not the individual.

Don't try again. You just don't get it.

G'Day
Lol....let's backtrack a little. You were attempting to interpret Deen's statements as some benign appreciation for black waiters' work ethic. To refresh your memory, here's what you said:

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I will say this, and I think this is probably what Paula was referring to but may have stated badly, many fine eating establishments in the south employed negro (an acceptable term back then) waiters. They had a wonderful, quiet dignity about them, savored their jobs, were attentive and very proud of what they made into a real craft of service."
But what black waiters was Deen talking about? Per her own words, "I would say they were slaves". Deen says they were not just waiters. They were SLAVES. So your interpretation of Deen's statement as being appreciative of mere waiters is flat out wrong, as she was actually appreciative of waiters that were also SLAVES.

Your comment that your post is not "remotely related to Paula Deen" is hilarious, since the subject of this thread is Paula Deen, and the specific remark I was referencing to (which was also the basis for your post) was Paula Deen's remark.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:27 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I once said "okey, dokey smokey.." in response to a co-worker asking me to do something. Well, she was highly insulted and said it was a racial slur. I was shocked as I grew up in NYC saying it like after Smokey the Bear and BooBoo...

I apologized but I think she wanted blood. I then asked several other black co-workers if it offended them or if they had ever heard it as a slur and they all looked at me like I was nuts and said no.
Oh, lord....I say that a lot!

If it is a slur, I truly had no idea.

I've been saying it so long that I couldn't begin to tell you where I first heard it, or from whom, but I most certainly would NOT say something I knew was a slur.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Brambleton, VA
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Good to see the Food Network use their right to not renew her contract.

A very wise, business decision.
I don't think so. Her show actually had good ratings. They can do the next Food Network Star reality shows all they want, but they won't ever replace her. I wonder if the other cooking channel is better? I haven't tuned in. I am certain that her career is far from over. Her biggest mistake was being so trusting and down to Earth. The good people are the ones that always get taken advantage of. They assume that everyone is good, and the more successful you are, the fewer good people surround you.
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Old 06-22-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Lol....let's backtrack a little. You were attempting to interpret Deen's statements as some benign appreciation for black waiters' work ethic. To refresh your memory, here's what you said:

"I will say this, and I think this is probably what Paula was referring to but may have stated badly, many fine eating establishments in the south employed negro (an acceptable term back then) waiters. They had a wonderful, quiet dignity about them, savored their jobs, were attentive and very proud of what they made into a real craft of service."

But what black waiters was Deen talking about? Per her own words, "I would say they were slaves". Deen says they were not just waiters. They were SLAVES. So your interpretation of Deen's statement as being appreciative of mere waiters is flat out wrong, as she was actually appreciative of waiters that were also SLAVES.

Your comment that your post is not "remotely related to Paula Deen" is hilarious, since the subject of this thread is Paula Deen, and the specific remark I was referencing to (which was also the basis for your post) was Paula Deen's remark.
Deen was either wrong or misspoke which is why I said "probably" to give her some wiggle room. Those I spoke of were not slaves and that was the point I was making. I will concede, however, if she was sincere rather than merely rattled then she is an idiot. Still, my assessment of the waiters of those times, the Pullman porters, "domestics," etc. was correct. None of them were slaves.

My mistake for attempting to give some benefit of doubt. By the way, if you will note, my mention of Paula came in the middle of the post you referenced and was not the main topic of what I was addressing by any means. But by all means, let us not take things in context. Cherry picking is ever so much more fun.

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Old 06-22-2013, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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If Paula's naysayers (and there are plenty by perusing this thread) are really into making progress in race relations in this country, attacking and blackballing her serves what purpose, pray tell? She has spoken of a bygone culture that has seen radical change in a short time. She would have grown up in a south where she went to an all white school, lived in an all white section of town, where blacks only held menial jobs and racial terms where used that are considered much more derogatory today than they were then.

Is she perfect? Is she politically correct in all her views? By no means. But she has changed over the years as all southerners have done. I propose that southerners have done more to heal racial indignities because of how far we have all come in a relatively short period of time.

Some of you just won't get it. You weren't raised in the culture and you don't understand it and never will. It has been a struggle, not all have moved at the same pace, but ALL southerners have moved forward from where the society once stood.

I mentioned in my previous post of having been raised in a home that was more progressive on race issues than what was common to most other whites in our area. We were never allowed to use the N word. We were never allowed to use any swear or curse words. To use the Lord's name in vain was the ultimate taboo.

Do I then judge all people who were not raised with the standard of my home and label them as social pariah because they don't measure up to my standards? I should hope not. Words are powerful tools, the tongue is a nasty weapon. There is a place to seek for a society with better manners and a more civil tongue.

When I see anyone who is sincerely apologetic for sins of their past and look to make strides to right past wrongs, who am I to withhold forgiveness? Who am I to throw a stone? Who am I to say I am better because I don't use "that" term but may use many others that are just offensive to someone of a different leaning or background?

The hypocrisy of all this is what is riling many of us southerners. We know what the society was and how for our society has come. Have we arrived? Have we taken every skeleton out of the closet and healed every past hurt and wound? Not by any means. But to turn and use a lynch mob mentality on one who is honest about past transgressions in a SINCERE attempt to turn from those behaviors, well you are no better for the cause of racial reconciliation at all. Not one bit.

But then again, that probably isn't any of your motives in bashing Ms. Deen anyway, is it?

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Old 06-22-2013, 10:30 PM
 
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I did not read all the responses and did not know the comment was 20 years ago. I always wonder how things like this come up so long after they happen.
I did hear on the news that her response now and how she canceled the today show is making things worse. She is going ot have to face this and putting it off in my opinion makes things worse. Yes it may be hard for her to face the questions and many may not be able to forgive her words but for some they will be able to.
I understand people are brought up in different ways but when you are a public figure on tv today you have to be careful and respectful to people of all different backgrounds etc.
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Old 06-22-2013, 11:20 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I don't think so. Her show actually had good ratings. They can do the next Food Network Star reality shows all they want, but they won't ever replace her. I wonder if the other cooking channel is better? I haven't tuned in. I am certain that her career is far from over. Her biggest mistake was being so trusting and down to Earth. The good people are the ones that always get taken advantage of. They assume that everyone is good, and the more successful you are, the fewer good people surround you.
With this disclosure, her career is effectively over, and her past ratings are meaningless.
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