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Old 06-27-2013, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Did she actually do that? Outright call and demean a black person by calling her a N***** at work? Or did she use the word in some other way? Not saying its not bad but 20 year ago PD was probably in her 30s or 40s and using the n word as sort of an adjective instead of of African Anmerican or Black was probably pretty common. I knew a guy from Georgia in the 90s. He was in his mid 30s. He said his dad still called black people colored.
I have no idea, I'm not following this closely but I think there is a small bit of a difference there so I'd be interested in knowing the exact circumstances.
It was a long long time ago, and from what I understand, she was assaulted and out of anger, being upset, right after the incident, she referred to her attacker using the N word.

What people don't understand, just as it is in personal cultures from NYC, to be mean, impolite and in PA culture to be callous and nosey, it is in the deep South’s culture, to use that word? They didn't use that word back then as an insult...simply put, it was what they called black people...or darkies. When something is in your culture, you were raised to believe so, b/c you saw your parents do it and figured it was simply a way of expression or referring to Italians, as Italians.

Now, she also was putting on a dinner, it was supposed to model the deep south, back in the time of slaves...heck, even people in movies still depict slaves....

Well, someone took offense to that...but, if I were to put on a let’s say, Persian dinner, and asked to hire women, as servers would wear veils over their faces and belly dancing costumes, nothing would be said??????

And now, all these companies are dropping her?

I mean, she didn't even break the law??????

I tell you; next the IRS will be after her.....

This is disgusting...simply disgusting, and of all people Wal-Mart to drop her, the company that is known for using people as slaves, and getting rich off of them? How dare they?

And Paula Deen isn't killing anyone....my God, how people exaggerate...if I choose to make Ms. Deen's recipes every single day, that is my choice, she isn't killing me, and if you don't like her food, then don't watch her, turn the freakin channel....lol, this is absolutely silly.\
One columnist wrote, "SHE has to be stopped" b/c she mixed butter with cream cheese and deep fried them calling them butter balls. OMG, she has to be stopped...and yet, the people of this country, never utters one word when a small child is sexually abused...I never ever see this much opinion on that kind of subject?

Hmmmmm, wonder if the government started all of this, to take attention away from the underhanded things they have been doing? (Just kidding people)
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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yanno, I just thought of something, all these companies, who are media driven, and jumping on the band wagon to ruin Paula Deen's life, when she didn't even break any laws....well, guess what, she probably had a contract with them, and being she didn't break any laws, I'd turn around and sue all of the for breach of contract....!!!!!
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:43 AM
 
Location: In a state of Grace
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I am impressed with the strength of character she displayed in being totally honest rather than just telling a lie like so many would do if asked that question. Compare her to say Bill Clinton. Bill lied for a long time and then admitted the truth. All is well for him. But she told the truth up front and the same people who gave slick willy a pass want to hang her. If she promoted sin and sinful lifestyles they would be ok with her. But she is honest and told the truth so they hate her. We are living in the day scripture told us about when men would call good, evil and call evil, good.
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Old 06-27-2013, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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I am impressed with the strength of character she displayed in being totally honest rather than just telling a lie like so many would do if asked that question. Compare her to say Bill Clinton. Bill lied for a long time and then admitted the truth. All is well for him. But she told the truth up front and the same people who gave slick willy a pass want to hang her. If she promoted sin and sinful lifestyles they would be ok with her. But she is honest and told the truth so they hate her. We are living in the day scripture told us about when men would call good, evil and call evil, good.
What really bothers me, is the fact that all these companies are dropping her, when she committed no crime, nor broke any laws! When all those prists sexually abused all those kids I didn't see this much hate and dismay exposed. WHY? Yanno, Paula Deen probably has contracts with all these companies who are dropping her as if they are St. Michael, themselves, and I would sue all of them for breach of contract. I've even seen a lot of black people come to her defense...who does Walmart think they are? Kings and Queens of the get rich quick while using people like slaves?

This whole thing is really pathetic, especially when there is so much unlawfulness in the nation, so much corruption and raping everyone for money...?
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago area
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I just read a good chunk of the deposition (I believe I read the most pertinent parts that included the words "n****r" and "N-word" and some other stuff) and it does put the situation in a bit of a new light for me. I'm undecided on whether or not firing her from everywhere and closing her restaurants is fair or not but it does appear that Paula Dean is a rather old fashioned southerner that, although not a blatant racist or anyone who discriminates, does have some prejudices and views that can be offensive which she seems to be completely clueless about.
When asked if she's ever used the word "n****r" she replied "of course" but added that she doesn't believe it's right to use it in a "mean way". When asked if her husband uses the word in jokes she said "Of course, he jokes all the time".
The interviewer asked her if she could possibly have called some black waiters n****rs she answered "No, because that's not what these men were. They were professional men doing a great job". She did say, though, that a black man who once robbed her at gunpoint when she worked in a bank was a "n****r" but that she didn't say it to his face.
I take these comments to mean that she believes that some black people are n****rs and that it's no big deal to use the word in jokes. I've heard people say it before: "There are n****rs and there are black people" and that seems to be Paula Deen's attitude too. Her brother apparently uses the word quite frequently so it seems that it's not a big deal in her family, which she is a product of. Her brother also makes a lot of crude sexual jokes and has showed porn to female employees and Paula just seemed to think that it was just a matter of her brother having a sense of humor.

Another comment Paula made that in my opinion shows her prejudice against blacks is one about a visit to a restaurant where she were very impressed with the wait staff. They were all middle age black men in jackets and bow ties. She said that she would loved to have men like these cater her brother's wedding to make it a real old fashioned Southern plantation wedding. When asked why she couldn't just have men of other races and why the race matters she said that "it's what made it so impressive. They were so professional". She wanted black men in jackets and bow ties to serve at her brother's wedding so that it would look just like it does in old pictures from around the time of the Civil War. She wanted to recreate that era in American history with the wedding, never mind that those black men in the old pictures were being used and abused and wouldn't have been there had that not been the case. But Paula Deen thought it was something romantic to be recreated. That just shows how clueless she is.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:42 AM
 
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I just read a good chunk of the deposition (I believe I read the most pertinent parts that included the words "n****r" and "N-word" and some other stuff) and it does put the situation in a bit of a new light for me. I'm undecided on whether or not firing her from everywhere and closing her restaurants is fair or not but it does appear that Paula Dean is a rather old fashioned southerner that, although not a blatant racist or anyone who discriminates, does have some prejudices and views that can be offensive which she seems to be completely clueless about.
When asked if she's ever used the word "n****r" she replied "of course" but added that she doesn't believe it's right to use it in a "mean way". When asked if her husband uses the word in jokes she said "Of course, he jokes all the time".
The interviewer asked her if she could possibly have called some black waiters n****rs she answered "No, because that's not what these men were. They were professional men doing a great job". She did say, though, that a black man who once robbed her at gunpoint when she worked in a bank was a "n****r" but that she didn't say it to his face.
I take these comments to mean that she believes that some black people are n****rs and that it's no big deal to use the word in jokes. I've heard people say it before: "There are n****rs and there are black people" and that seems to be Paula Deen's attitude too. Her brother apparently uses the word quite frequently so it seems that it's not a big deal in her family, which she is a product of. Her brother also makes a lot of crude sexual jokes and has showed porn to female employees and Paula just seemed to think that it was just a matter of her brother having a sense of humor.

Another comment Paula made that in my opinion shows her prejudice against blacks is one about a visit to a restaurant where she were very impressed with the wait staff. They were all middle age black men in jackets and bow ties. She said that she would loved to have men like these cater her brother's wedding to make it a real old fashioned Southern plantation wedding. When asked why she couldn't just have men of other races and why the race matters she said that "it's what made it so impressive. They were so professional". She wanted black men in jackets and bow ties to serve at her brother's wedding so that it would look just like it does in old pictures from around the time of the Civil War. She wanted to recreate that era in American history with the wedding, never mind that those black men in the old pictures were being used and abused and wouldn't have been there had that not been the case. But Paula Deen thought it was something romantic to be recreated. That just shows how clueless she is.
Pretty much.

Gwyneth Paltrow got in trouble for saying the n word but didn't face this stuff, because she sidnt have all of that to go along with it. It's not just the word getting her in trouble right now.

She had a work environment going on where incredibly inappropriate sexual and racial "jokes" were flying around, porn is being shown, underage girls are dating material... I mean it was like the Wild West up in there. And that's just the stuff they've admitted to.

Some people refuse to look past their race issues at the totality of the situation. Of course major companies are going to dump her.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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I just read a good chunk of the deposition (I believe I read the most pertinent parts that included the words "n****r" and "N-word" and some other stuff) and it does put the situation in a bit of a new light for me. I'm undecided on whether or not firing her from everywhere and closing her restaurants is fair or not but it does appear that Paula Dean is a rather old fashioned southerner that, although not a blatant racist or anyone who discriminates, does have some prejudices and views that can be offensive which she seems to be completely clueless about.
When asked if she's ever used the word "n****r" she replied "of course" but added that she doesn't believe it's right to use it in a "mean way". When asked if her husband uses the word in jokes she said "Of course, he jokes all the time".
The interviewer asked her if she could possibly have called some black waiters n****rs she answered "No, because that's not what these men were. They were professional men doing a great job". She did say, though, that a black man who once robbed her at gunpoint when she worked in a bank was a "n****r" but that she didn't say it to his face.
I take these comments to mean that she believes that some black people are n****rs and that it's no big deal to use the word in jokes. I've heard people say it before: "There are n****rs and there are black people" and that seems to be Paula Deen's attitude too. Her brother apparently uses the word quite frequently so it seems that it's not a big deal in her family, which she is a product of. Her brother also makes a lot of crude sexual jokes and has showed porn to female employees and Paula just seemed to think that it was just a matter of her brother having a sense of humor.

Another comment Paula made that in my opinion shows her prejudice against blacks is one about a visit to a restaurant where she were very impressed with the wait staff. They were all middle age black men in jackets and bow ties. She said that she would loved to have men like these cater her brother's wedding to make it a real old fashioned Southern plantation wedding. When asked why she couldn't just have men of other races and why the race matters she said that "it's what made it so impressive. They were so professional". She wanted black men in jackets and bow ties to serve at her brother's wedding so that it would look just like it does in old pictures from around the time of the Civil War. She wanted to recreate that era in American history with the wedding, never mind that those black men in the old pictures were being used and abused and wouldn't have been there had that not been the case. But Paula Deen thought it was something romantic to be recreated. That just shows how clueless she is.
There are Italians, and then there are crude Italians, and actually I forget the Italian word for it, or I would post it, same difference.

What you think is right and wrong you were taught by your parents, which is your very own culture.
And I'm not saying it is right, but remember Micheal the football star who was convicted of dog fighting, which Is Against the Law, and said he grew up that way, it was his culture.
It isn't an excuse, it is though exactly true and not an excuse.
I raised my son to never ever mouth the n-word...but he was raised that way, deep south used it, as if someone's name, or in a derrogatory sense as well...regardless, it is a word she grew up with and heard everyone saying it.

Listen, the point here is this....gather your opinions, right or wrong, Paula Deen did not break the law...as I said before, I didn't hear, read or see so much hoopla when the Priest molested all those children? God, where are our priorities....have we become human being who enjoy drama and love to see someone who made it, sink to the bottom....??????

That is the whole point here, and by the way, every race has a name for their people who are the scum of the earth...

once again, it's ok for the blacks to use this to each other, and in a lot of ways, very indignant, but when a whitie says it, it's OMG, break my legs, cut my heart and tongue out and throw me to the dogs....

Geeze Louise? This race thing is going way to far...and I have read a lot of black people's comments who feel the very same way and have said the very same thing I have said, it's gone way to far....

so, once again I say, I hope Paula will be able to sue all these companies, for breach of contract, now that would warm my heart, b/c she didn't break any laws?

once again, if I wanted to host a persian wedding, and have women come and wait on my guests with veils on, and belly dancing costumns, no one would say a word, but...as I said before, you were not raised in the deep south so you are not getting...no, Paula Deen doesn't see anything wrong in her wedding request....b/c that is how it was, and there is nothing you or anyone else can do to erase it, it was a time that existed, a time people grew up in and a time, it was their culture. they honestly did not see anything wrong in it, and by the way, neither did some slaves...there were a lot of slaves that were treated well, not called slaves, but were given rights and taught to read...of course they hid it....

Look, your all entitled to your opinions, but you will never understand, our own personal cultures are what we think and believe, what our parents taught us to believe...and if we had been raised in the deep south, we'd all feel the same way as Paula Deen feels....Just b/c she wanted to recreate her childhood and have black waiters doesn't mean she is a racist....or a bad person...

Yes, it sounds bad....but you were not born in those days down in the deep south, so you wouldn't understand....yanno what this is honestly turning out to be once again? The north vs the south...and it's ridiculous and even getting way to dramatic for me.

honestly, I wish people would have banned the churches and sided with all those kids who are now adults that were sexually abused? I dont get it and I never did...people never ever drive a hate thread like this against sexually abused children, but gossip everyone eats up like its some passion fruit...amazing.

and I'm sorry, but no, it shows how clueless you are....she is not prejudice, it's how she was raised to believe, so she is clueless in that she is not a racist nor does she mean any harm...to her and many older southerners, it is a word, nothing more, nothing less....

ey yi, yi....this is becoming way to difficult and senseless...to even try to explain, is futile, b/c ya'll have so much resentment and emotion talking about a subject that you will never understand.

She didn't break any laws.....?

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Old 06-27-2013, 07:46 AM
 
Location: Charlotte county, Florida
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It's all about branding. Deen was promoting the supposedly wholesome brand of "southern mom and apple pie" which was actually entertaining. Now with these revelations of her using the N word, what do you think that does to the brand? Does this mean racism is as American as mom and apple pie?
Southern Moms most likely used the word more then anyone.
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Old 06-27-2013, 07:52 AM
 
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Cremebrulee, hostile work environments ARE illegal. That's why she's able to be sued over it.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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For those of you who are pro Paula Deen and inferring that she is misunderstood or that her statements were 20 years ago and that people should just "get over it", what were your views back when Isaiah Washington made that gay slur towards his ER costar? I'll wait.
I was appalled. I think anybody who uses any term negatively to hurt someone should be boycotted. Paula did not do this.
I have been jailed in the 60's for participating in civil rights marches in N.C. and for marching against the Vietnam war in D.C.
I've entertained people of all races in my home.
I've dated black and Asian men.
My step daughters married a man from Puerto Rico and a man from Iran. I have mixed race grandchildren.
I've adopted 3 minority race children.
I've signed petitions and rallied against marriage inequality.
I am proud Paula Deen supporter.
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