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By discussion you mean reinforcing your beliefs ? It's simple. Charleston is growing like crazy. If you take rural areas and start dotting 1/4" subdivisions all over them there will be traffic problems. County Council should not have approved this. Keeping Johns Island rural with large plots of land is what the residents of Johns Island have always wanted.
If you continue to screw it up, traffic will get worse. If you DON'T fix the traffic problem then developers will have trouble selling their properties and that will slow development. It's all up to the zoning.
You can still grow and have fine traffic. One way to do this is to have a limited access highway where people can easily get in and out, instead of two bottleneck bridges.
Charleston County is long and narrow, and a good chunk of the county is taken up by a national forest that can't be moved. It was a matter of time for Johns Island and the outer West Ashley to be seeked out.
Density is a solution, but everyone cries about it, and then they turn around and cry about the neighborhoods being built. You can't tell a city it can't grow. Even if you've lived here all your life, you can't tell other people they can't move in. That is a problem with this forum. A lot of people here seem like they try to scare potential newcomers away. If there is demand, we have to answer it, but answer it smartly.
People want to live here, so it's our job to welcome them, yet make sure adding them to the population won't strain everyone else. Opposing every single thing on the planet doesn't help. And we have to think about things out of our control, such as hurricanes.
CCL spent too much time fighting the wrong people. You were worried about the highway so much, all these single family homes and apartments have started to be built behind you, anyway. And the infrastructure has stayed the same. Not much change in roads, schools, or job centers that lower people having to commute. That is the problem.
The problem is that zoning is allowing a rural island and lifestyle to be destroyed in the name of "progress". Any idiot can rezone everything to allow 1/5 acre plots and stack crappy apartments on top of one another and allow rich people on Kiawah to reach their homes at interstate speeds. This "progress" is not the desire of the Johns Island residents.
You can still grow and have fine traffic. One way to do this is to have a limited access highway where people can easily get in and out, instead of two bottleneck bridges.
Charleston County is rlong and narrow, and a good chunk of the county is taken up by a national forest that can't be moved. It was a matter of time for Johns Island and the outer West Ashley to be seeked out.
To be technically correct, the forest can be moved. Federal law allows for 1 for 1 swap of land within National Forests. I've heard two developers talk about just that. There is plenty of land on the northern end.
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Density is a solution, but everyone cries about it, and then they turn around and cry about the neighborhoods being built. You can't tell a city it can't grow. Even if you've lived here all your life, you can't tell other people they can't move in. That is a problem with this forum. A lot of people here seem like they try to scare potential newcomers away. If there is demand, we have to answer it, but answer it smartly.
You can absolutely tell a city it can't grow. The SC coast is full of places that determined to limit growth. MtP has come close to approving growth limitations. There are powerful forces working on both sides. Don't think it is a foregone conclusion. I love how people who have moved here themselves turn around and start using "we" at their first opportunity. There's a lot of people who don't want John's Island developed. So far, they appear to be winning. They see the absolute cluster that MtP has become and want no part of it.
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Originally Posted by Jandrew5
People want to live here, so it's our job to welcome them, yet make sure adding them to the population won't strain everyone else. Opposing every single thing on the planet doesn't help. And we have to think about things out of our control, such as hurricanes.
It is part and parcel of Charleston to be kind and hospitable. But enough is enough. Don't delude yourself into believing that the people on this board are representative of Charlestonians. This place is overwhelmingly dominated by people, just like you, who moved here from somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by Jandrew5
CCL spent too much time fighting the wrong people. You were worried about the highway so much, all these single family homes and apartments have started to be built behind you, anyway. And the infrastructure has stayed the same. Not much change in roads, schools, or job centers that lower people having to commute. That is the problem.
That is your opinion. The reality is, 526 will just move the bottleneck to another location. More quickly.
The problem is that zoning is allowing a rural island and lifestyle to be destroyed in the name of "progress". Any idiot can rezone everything to allow 1/5 acre plots and stack crappy apartments on top of one another and allow rich people on Kiawah to reach their homes at interstate speeds. This "progress" is not the desire of the Johns Island residents.
Absolutely. Just visit the abomination that is Hilton Head. Damn that place was beautiful in the 60s.
Someday, hopefully after I'm dead and gone, this entire coast will look like the cesspool that is the Atlantic Coast of Florida. Oh joy.
To be technically correct, the forest can be moved. Federal law allows for 1 for 1 swap of land within National Forests. I've heard two developers talk about just that. There is plenty of land on the northern end.
You can absolutely tell a city it can't grow. The SC coast is full of places that determined to limit growth. MtP has come close to approving growth limitations. There are powerful forces working on both sides. Don't think it is a foregone conclusion. I love how people who have moved here themselves turn around and start using "we" at their first opportunity. There's a lot of people who don't want John's Island developed. So far, they appear to be winning. They see the absolute cluster that MtP has become and want no part of it.
It is part and parcel of Charleston to be kind and hospitable. But enough is enough. Don't delude yourself into believing that the people on this board are representative of Charlestonians. This place is overwhelmingly dominated by people, just like you, who moved here from somewhere else.
That is your opinion. The reality is, 526 will just move the bottleneck to another location. More quickly.
You're right. I was born at Trident Medical Center, but I forgot it was the Trident in Cleveland. Damn, I miss Ohio.
The problem is that zoning is allowing a rural island and lifestyle to be destroyed in the name of "progress". Any idiot can rezone everything to allow 1/5 acre plots and stack crappy apartments on top of one another and allow rich people on Kiawah to reach their homes at interstate speeds. This "progress" is not the desire of the Johns Island residents.
If we're going to be realistic: John's Island is not going to look the same in 2026, or even 2022 as it does now. But if we're also being realistic: it is not meant to be Charleston's version of Long Island.
A plan can be made to keep growth smart, and keep it manageable, and make Johns Island a model for the rest of the metro. It'll take everyone's cooperation and willpower, not "nanananana."
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