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Old 05-17-2009, 08:31 AM
 
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Did everyone read the article about the poor guy who lives downtown who is going to have to cut down his lemon tree because the government said so?
Doomed lemon trees leave man a bit bitter - The Post and Courier



They told him the tree HAS to be cut down because it has some disease that is "incurable". It isn't like this guy lives right next to a commercial lemon grove where hundreds of trees would be at risk of catching this "incurable" disease. The condition doesn't even contaminate the fruit.

Now the poor man has to lose a tree it took nearly two decades for him to grow -- because the government said so?????

Jeepers! If this can happen now just IMAGINE how bad it would be if HR 875 and S 425 get passed http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=2287which would spend MORE of our tax dollars to create a HUGE policing agency like HomeLand Security to police food production -- including backyard gardens! YIKES!

Forget Socialism, this is Communism at our doorstep.
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Old 05-17-2009, 08:55 AM
 
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Was just thinking that if taking handouts from the Federal government means they come with strings attached such as having to submit to this kind of invasion, then maybe South Carolina would be better off making do with what we have like Governor Sanford has been advocating.

For Pete's Sake, the educaion problem could be solved with a volunteer literacy program for kids after school. Maybe "Hooked on phonics" and some of those other reading programs could be donated and volunteers could help walk kids through that. What about all the churches? Couldn't they provide the space for the classes for these kids?

If we start thinking outside the box, I'm sure we'd find we could do very well WITHOUT help from the Federal Government.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:36 AM
 
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Why don't you spear head the volunteer literacy program.

Most schools that I have been involved with already have one...the problem with education is a little more complicated than you think. I think the teachers on this board can vouch for that.
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Old 05-17-2009, 09:50 AM
 
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Citrus greening is one of the most serious citrus plant diseases in the world. It is also known as Huanglongbing (HLB) or yellow dragon disease. Once a tree is infected, there is no cure. While the disease poses no threat to humans or animals, it has devastated the citrus crops in Asia, Africa, the Arabian Peninsula and Brazil. Citrus greening is now a serious threat to the U.S. citrus industry. Infected trees produce fruit that are green, misshapen and bitter, unsuitable for sale as fresh fruit or for juice. Most infected trees die within a few years.
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:35 AM
 
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Citrus greening is one of the most serious citrus plant diseases in the world. It is also known as Huanglongbing (HLB) or yellow dragon disease. Once a tree is infected, there is no cure. While the disease poses no threat to humans or animals, it has devastated the citrus crops in Asia, Africa, the Arabian Peninsula and Brazil. Citrus greening is now a serious threat to the U.S. citrus industry. Infected trees produce fruit that are green, misshapen and bitter, unsuitable for sale as fresh fruit or for juice. Most infected trees die within a few years.
Fine but as I said ..and as you say-- it poses no threat to anyone. So why do this to this poor man? If they can do it to him it just sets a precident.

Would you want government officials barging into your home and telling you you couldn't have XYZ plant in your backyard because it was diseased? Lots of people I'm sure have diseased plants or trees in their back yards. So now are we going to just open our houses up to the government and let them inspect everything and let them tell us what we can and can't have in our yards?

What are they going to do? Throw the guy in jail if he doesn't cut his tree down???

I can't believe there isn't a TON of outrage over this! Are people so blind that they can't see a pattern forming of the government wanting to control every aspect of our lives at OUR EXPENSE?

I read the comments on Charleston.net about it and I couldn't believe a couple of them said they thought the homeowner was "selfish" for wanting to have a lemon tree and that instead he should buy lemons market! Other's thought he should give up the tree "for the greater good". It's hardly for the greater good ....it is for the greater detriment.

GEEEZE LOUISE!!!!! Have people lost their ability to think?

This is actually the problem with education. The New World order wants Americans dumbed down ,just as they are becoming, because if they can't think, they can control them more easily.

Part of the New World Order elites plan is to use the Environment as the strategy to gain further control over the global population and it sure seems to be working thus far.

Turns out the government is the biggest polluter of the environment yet they make us think it is up to US to save the environment. This articles discusses everything you ever wanted to know about what really goes on as concerns the environment and how the government is using it to control us. Saving the Environment

Here is just a snippet from the above link:


[CENTER]...WHY THE ENVIRONMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO POLITICIANS[/CENTER]
Everything you do, every move you make, each step, each breath affects the environment in some way.
That's why so many politicians and reformers are enthusiastic about "saving the environment." Virtually the entire crusade is about you.
  • "Conserving resources" means taking them from you and putting them under political control.
  • "Ending global warming" means forcing you to pay higher taxes for gas, oil, and electricity.
  • "Recycling" means vast power for those who will decide what you must recycle and what you'll be allowed to throw away.
  • "Protecting endangered species" means the power to seize your land.
  • "Controlling pollution" means controlling you.
For the politicians, the environment is the perfect issue. They can use it to gain more power while appealing to your desire for health, to your appreciation for the natural beauty around you, and to your concern for your children and future generations.
But when you get past the pseudo-science and quasi-religion that accompanies their crusades, you find that the only real environmental problems come from government itself.
And if government is unable to keep its own properties clean, why should we give it control over your property? Shouldn't we instead reverse the process and get as much property as possible out of the hands of government?
Shouldn't we choose a system in which every property manager is personally responsible for the results? Shouldn't we discard a system in which politicians are free to give politically connected companies the license to pollute land without either the politicians or the polluters having to pay for the damage?
The answer to environmental problems isn't to expand the reach of government, but to shrink it. No problems will be solved by the people who gave us the U.S. Postal Service and the Savings & Loan crisis.......
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Old 05-17-2009, 10:45 AM
 
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Why don't you spear head the volunteer literacy program.

Most schools that I have been involved with already have one...the problem with education is a little more complicated than you think. I think the teachers on this board can vouch for that.
Well certainly throwing more money at the problem isn't the answer either. You only have to look at the Rhode Island public education system to see that paying teachers more money (as they are among the highest paid in the country) does not translate to better educated students as Rhode island kids are among the lowest achievers in the country.

In Rhode Island the teachers union has a HUGE impact on the state legislature. Once you get a job as a teacher you have it for life. You can't be fired for poor performance. There is no incentive to put in extra effort to be a good teacher . Bad teachers get all the same benefits as good teachers and kids get even worse educations than they get here across the board. The bar is set very low in Rhode Island.
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Old 05-17-2009, 01:35 PM
 
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There are good school districts with strong unions. Rhode Island may be a mess but it isn't the example for ALL unionized school districts. It represents itself. My kids went to a school system that had a strong union and it was a phenomenal school system. I didn't care for the unions myself but the union did not adversely impact the education system.

As for the citrus tree -- maybe that guy's trees infected the other tree in the neighbourhood. So the other neighbour is adversely impacted -- he's gonna lose his tree (I know it could be the other way around but either way it supports my argument).

IF we allow the insect to continue to flourish in any area -- we are encouraging the demise of the lemon tree.

I like lemons and don't want to see lemon trees disappear. This guy's trees are going to die anyways....so why not kill them before they infect others. Businesses are being destroyed because of this disease caused by the insect....I'd say someone's impacted.
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Old 05-17-2009, 01:36 PM
 
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How do you measure who the biggest polluter is?

That sounds like a strong subjective statement to me. Anybody else have an idea?
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Old 05-17-2009, 03:59 PM
 
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"While passing by, they noticed the tree — which sits behind the wall around his house — appeared to be infected with citrus greening, a disease that U.S. officials fear could devastate the nation's citrus crops all the way to California. Already, the disease has taken a toll on crops in Asia, Africa and South America."

Is that worth the risk?

If you're reasonable..................
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Old 05-17-2009, 04:07 PM
 
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Fine but as I said ..and as you say-- it poses no threat to anyone. So why do this to this poor man? If they can do it to him it just sets a precident.

Would you want government officials barging into your home and telling you you couldn't have XYZ plant in your backyard because it was diseased? Lots of people I'm sure have diseased plants or trees in their back yards. So now are we going to just open our houses up to the government and let them inspect everything and let them tell us what we can and can't have in our yards?

What are they going to do? Throw the guy in jail if he doesn't cut his tree down???

I can't believe there isn't a TON of outrage over this! Are people so blind that they can't see a pattern forming of the government wanting to control every aspect of our lives at OUR EXPENSE?

I read the comments on Charleston.net about it and I couldn't believe a couple of them said they thought the homeowner was "selfish" for wanting to have a lemon tree and that instead he should buy lemons market! Other's thought he should give up the tree "for the greater good". It's hardly for the greater good ....it is for the greater detriment.

GEEEZE LOUISE!!!!! Have people lost their ability to think?

This is actually the problem with education. The New World order wants Americans dumbed down ,just as they are becoming, because if they can't think, they can control them more easily.

Part of the New World Order elites plan is to use the Environment as the strategy to gain further control over the global population and it sure seems to be working thus far.

Turns out the government is the biggest polluter of the environment yet they make us think it is up to US to save the environment. This articles discusses everything you ever wanted to know about what really goes on as concerns the environment and how the government is using it to control us. Saving the Environment

Here is just a snippet from the above link:


[CENTER]...WHY THE ENVIRONMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO POLITICIANS[/CENTER]
Everything you do, every move you make, each step, each breath affects the environment in some way.
That's why so many politicians and reformers are enthusiastic about "saving the environment." Virtually the entire crusade is about you.
  • "Conserving resources" means taking them from you and putting them under political control.
  • "Ending global warming" means forcing you to pay higher taxes for gas, oil, and electricity.
  • "Recycling" means vast power for those who will decide what you must recycle and what you'll be allowed to throw away.
  • "Protecting endangered species" means the power to seize your land.
  • "Controlling pollution" means controlling you.
For the politicians, the environment is the perfect issue. They can use it to gain more power while appealing to your desire for health, to your appreciation for the natural beauty around you, and to your concern for your children and future generations.
But when you get past the pseudo-science and quasi-religion that accompanies their crusades, you find that the only real environmental problems come from government itself.
And if government is unable to keep its own properties clean, why should we give it control over your property? Shouldn't we instead reverse the process and get as much property as possible out of the hands of government?
Shouldn't we choose a system in which every property manager is personally responsible for the results? Shouldn't we discard a system in which politicians are free to give politically connected companies the license to pollute land without either the politicians or the polluters having to pay for the damage?
The answer to environmental problems isn't to expand the reach of government, but to shrink it. No problems will be solved by the people who gave us the U.S. Postal Service and the Savings & Loan crisis.......
Wow!
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