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Old 10-26-2011, 04:03 PM
 
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It is time that government and the elites who control it realize we are tired of their BS.
Oh my, serendipity! This may frighten atheists & agnostics but the conservative Vatican/ Holy See agrees. Occupy Wall Street's Most Unlikely Ally: The Pope : NPR
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:34 PM
 
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There was a big panoramic picture in Time magazine, you can check. There were a lot of signs with word socialism on it. FYI socialism is marxism.
And there were pictures of people at the tea party holding racist and ignorant signs. However, these idiots didnt reflect the whole movement.

There are thousands of people actually attending OWS events and millions of Americans who support them. From this large group it is easy to find dozens of people with hardline positions. It doesnt reflect the movement as a whole. The goal is power to the people, including you.
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Old 10-26-2011, 04:35 PM
 
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Oh my, serendipity! This may frighten atheists & agnostics but the conservative Vatican/ Holy See agrees. Occupy Wall Street's Most Unlikely Ally: The Pope : NPR
OWS is about working together. They might have different views on god, but regardless of religious affliction we feel disenfranchised. The more people getting involved the better.

Hell, even some of the 1% support the protest, like Warren Buffet.
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Old 10-27-2011, 03:06 AM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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Oh my, serendipity! This may frighten atheists & agnostics but the conservative Vatican/ Holy See agrees. Occupy Wall Street's Most Unlikely Ally: The Pope : NPR
??? You're right... that is scary haha
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Old 10-27-2011, 03:14 AM
 
Location: Elkins, WV
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There was a big panoramic picture in Time magazine, you can check. There were a lot of signs with word socialism on it. FYI socialism is marxism.
Conservatives around this country always throw out socialism as a way to scare people... I fail to see what is so scary about a little socialism here and there. We already have aspects of socialism in this country... Police, Fire, Ambulances, our non-toll roads... I really can't see how these are bad things... they're paid for with taxes and benefit everyone... Spreading the wealth and benefits. We just call them public services instead of socialist services...

I'm not advocating a purely socialist society, but a hybrid mixture of capitalism and socialism. Something people can put their faith in, because its obvious our current form of capitalism isn't working, and especially since Washington politics and capitalism sleep in the same bed.... benefiting the rich while exploiting the masses. It's only going to get worse... it started here in NYC and it's already spread all over the world. People are fed up!
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:37 AM
 
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...especially since Washington politics and capitalism sleep in the same bed...

Therein describes the problem; along with pure GREED.

We need politicians who can do what is right for the people and not what is right for my next election or a thank you for my past election.

Term limits and a balanced budget would be a step in the right direction, in my humble opinion.
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Old 10-27-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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Default unreported details

Waaay overdue UPDATES: It got complicated.

The last rally I had posted was difficult to pin down because the base camp for the occupation in Charleston that was located in Haddad Park (on Kanawha blvd) was not an agreeable place to city officials for whatever reasons they had. They sat down with the deputy mayor in good faith to work out where they might relocate. They expressed they have no intention to impede business or be a drain on city resources. Matter of fact they've already taken it upon themselves to do some trash patrols since this all began. Haddad's waterline had accumulated lots of trash floating down river prior to the occupation but they ran out of trash bags to get the job done completely. Davis park has rules closing it after dark that the mayors office agreed to waive. I think it's ultimately a much safer location for the occupiers and the visitors as well. It's also drawing more people to Capitol street businesses and some of the neighbors are glad to walk their dogs after dark without risking a fine.

There were complications with rally permitting last Saturday making it confusing for people to meet up with the rally. One permit was for part of the day, another permit for another part of the day, stipulations for stationary rally or moving march weren't clear, and well, these things happen among inexperienced. Clear decisions weren't stated days in advance & facebook was lagging badly. Some posts took as long as 4 hrs to register, others never went through. "Strange" was a comment from the computer geek who is chalking it up to bandwidth problems. The cross talk between occupier issues and rally location had muddied the water significantly, but despite that I counted 40 heads at one location and about 20 at another. The occupiers were tied up with logistics & sweeping up behind Haddad.

The nature of the confusion- as of thursday pm 20th the understanding was that Occupiers would have to move from Haddad to their new location in Davis Park (boxed by Lee, Capitol, Summers, Washington st) in downtown at 7pm friday but there was a snafu, the park was promised to a christening ceremony am Sat, so the city delayed the move to pm Saturday overlapping the rally. I and a few others dropped the rally in favor of ferrying over a carload of their gear to the new location & set up some tents after the party was all clear. At this point the occupiers had already been rained on for 2 days straight + precipitous declines in temps so they were run down but undeterred. The christening party heard the occupiers were following them and gave their blessing by donating all their party food. Dinner was solved. Mighty kind of them.

So much has been going on since Saturday it's hard to recall. There are meetings every night they call general assemblies (GA). Saturday nights meeting had notable guests native WV'ns will likely know well. Allen Johnson of Christians for the Mountains | Home came to lend his voice of support and encouragement to the cause. It's very rare to meet gentlemen like that in this day and age. He did a bit more than just applaud occupiers- he brought out his sleeping bag and slept outdoors without a tent overnight. That's a mountain man alright. My bones can't take that anymore, but hat's off out of respect.

I had a fascinating conversation with him and we compared notes about how eroded American communities have become since all these business philosophies/ paradigms have displaced all other human priorities. The every man woman and child plan isn't compatible with life. This conversation was happening with about 4 generations present so while putting all our stories in a time line it revealed a steady decline & loss of quality of life with no end in sight. I had a joke I forgot to tell. "Allen, you might not rank a spot in my time management appointment book unless you can prove you're trickle up cost effective." Well, on second thought, it's just as well I forgot. Most WV'ns don't get my dry NY sarcasm.

Anyhoo, another notable character most will recognize was Jesse Johnson of the Mountain Party lending his voice of support. He's traveling around this week with an independent studio film folks from San Fran with plans for documentaries in WV. Jesse and I were talking about how disenfranchised 3rd parties are in the 2 party system. I let him know he won that debate with Manchin & Raece hands down, THE most intelligent person at the table with meaningful solutions in hand, but... Raece was just too nutter to risk him winning. He told me (loosely paraphrased) if we stay stuck in the lesser of evils contest we've been in, it's only giving them permission to turn every election into a limbo contest lowering the standard to nothingness. I know he's right but I don't see a permanent way off the crazy train until the money cord is cut.

I mentioned the only campaign I've ever volunteered for in my life was for Independence/reform party Ross Perot, and expressed my wish that 3rd parties would have level ground based on nothing more than merits of debate. I changed registration from indie to Dem to vote for Hillary. He let me know I shouldn't feel pressured into registering dem or repub because laws were changed in WV. When primaries are held no matter what party you belong to you may vote for any- you aren't limited just to the party you're registered in primaries anymore. I've had to change registry so many years it became routine. A WV'n that made wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_J..._(politician)- I checked. No corporate money in his campaign. He told me he's invested most, if not all, of what he's made in his life to his cause.

He mentioned support for 99%/Occupiers is coming from Up The Holler and Randi Rhodes (a liberal leaning radio show I've not heard before). Randi Rhodes and rattled off a few other names I can't remember. The Pulse M(something) show. He's since come to a few meetings but most of the business they've been dealing with is logistics/ establishing security/ a means of maintaining hygiene. They break things up into work groups and get it done. This location is very nice but it's a little creepy knowing they're surrounded by security cameras 24/7. Perhaps if someone is looking for missteps they'll note the occupiers politely escorting any drunks stumbling into the park to wherever else they meant to go or sharing the food that gets donated with actual homeless that wander by. I'll post the good neighbor policy they set up as rules for themselves in another post.

The security guards for the neighboring buildings (BB&T, a county blg, etc) were very leery seeing them move into the park. Everyone assured them they have no intention of violence or destruction of property etc. Hard to convince one of them who was acting like rioters were gathering. He knows by now he doesn't have to worry. "Patience" (yes that's her real name) got him to crack a smile for 2 seconds. He might be smitten.

Oh speaking of notable guests, tuesday another WV'n who made it to wikipedia Charlotte Pritt - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Charlotte Pritt came to lend her support, encouragement, and suggestions. I was impressed by her warmth and intelligence. Unfortunately I was minding some technical chores and didn't have the chance to get into any in depth conversation with her. I hope she'll come by again soon.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:34 PM
 
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Updates regarding organization
Networking...
No formal rally this weekend due in part to the Coffee party/ citizens intervention group rally on 29 october in DC. Coffee party and citizens intervention group give 2 thumbs way up to the Occupiers and 99%. Like I had mentioned in another post- people are starting to coalesce to such a degree that we're all concluding that we're only accumulating 5 million reasons why we're for or against the same exact things even if the reasoning behind those conclusions are incredibly variable.

The coffee party; https://www.facebook.com/coffeeparty?sk=wall
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Specific to WV and Charleston...
Info relayed from their facebook site.

Here's the newly established twitter feed for the state of WV Occupiers... Feeds - occupy west virginia

OccupyCharlestonWV Donate Info (just for Charleston)
All physical donations can be dropped off on Summers Street. For the closest address to the site of occupation, please use
714 Lee St E
Charleston West Virginia 25301
United States

OccupyCharlestonWV
there is an occupy charleston twitter so follow folks @OccupyChasWV the tag is #occupychaswv

OccupyCharlestonWV
ATTENTION:: We are now able to accept monetary donations. When donating through the following link please be sure to fill out the purpose text box with "Occupy Charleston Occupiers". We are so very lucky to have a local non-profit here helping us accept these donations. Thank you Citizens Action Group. The link is WV Citizen Action Education Fund
WV Citizen Action Education Fund
WV Citizen Action Education Fund

I've confirmed that the arrangement established is a free service extended by WVCAEF.org who has experience & gear to accept those funds separately as if it were a trust fund. Funds will not be co mingled as has happened in the past with Red Cross disaster relief funds.
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Violence elsewhere...
Iraq veterans support 99% and occupiers. Iraq Veterans Against the War | You are not alone
As do Veterans for Peace. Veterans For Peace :: Home

I agree with them BOTH and am sickened by the violence in Oakland, Cleveland, NYC, Atlanta, and Chicago. I've made a point to call the police headquarters of all incident locations, and some who are threatening violence in Kentucky. I would hope all veterans scrutinize abuses of force and register their concerns directly to those implementing them on pretenses of defending 'public safety'.

1 Marine SGT. vs. 30 NYPD Cops (Marine Wins) - YouTube

Marine Vet wounded, tear gas & flash-bang grenades thrown in downtown Oakland - YouTube

I don't speak for occupiers, I'm only relaying what I witness myself directly and the general nature of this movement made of individuals here in Charleston. There should be no excuses for such abusive conduct to occur here. None. They've gone to pains to be respectful and stay in compliance with what are very steep rules/ regs orientated to protect property rights of heavily monied interests. These property rights over emphasized in the law have given license to a bank secretary to declare protesters on a sidewalk may not be on 'their' sidewalk even when they aren't impeding entrances.

The protesters have voted to consult lawyers to clarify where in open society they're 'allowed' to voice their grievances without violating the law. Boundary disputes are being settled where they ought to- within the law, but IMO laws need challenging. Cities elsewhere abusing authority and getting ham handed with use of force is a very costly way to go. Oakland alone is estimated to cost over 300k and counting. Atlanta police tactics are trending the same. These are examples of Administrative failure. So far, Charleston is a shining example of how a protest can be done peacefully. We've had visitors from Toronto, North Carolina, San Francisco, Atlanta... all are impressed with the conduct and solidarity the occupiers in Charleston are demonstrating.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:45 PM
 
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As promised, here's a transcription of the Good Neighbor Policy flyer the occupiers have unanimously agreed to abide as self imposed rules in addition to the rules the city has laid down.

Good Neighbor Policy
Following respectful and good-faith dialogue with members of the local community, Occupy Charleston WV hereby announces the following Good Neighbor Policy to ensure safety and awareness.

-OCWV has zero tolerance for drugs or alcohol anywhere in Davis Square.

-Zero tolerance for violence or verbal abuse towards anyone.

-Zero tolerance for abuse of personal or public property.

-OCWV encourages all participants to respect health and sanitary regulations and will direct all participants respectfully utilize appropriate off and on site sanitation facilities.

-OCWV will at all times have a community relations representative on site to monitor and respond to community concerns and complaints.

Occupy Charleston WV October 23, 2011.
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Old 10-27-2011, 08:03 PM
 
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Thanks for the updates.
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