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Old 11-16-2007, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Wherever it is, I am sure it is cosmopolitan
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If a business owner wants to allow a legal substance in the establishment he/she OWNS, the gov't should stay out of it. Period.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:51 AM
 
Location: Fort Mill, SC (Charlotte 'burb)
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If a business owner wants to allow a legal substance in the establishment he/she OWNS, the gov't should stay out of it. Period.
If you can ban people coming in your establishment for not wearing proper dress or not behaving properly, you can sure as heck ban them for smoking which is harmful to others, not to mention the fact it's STUPID (coming from a former smoker). If marijuana was legal and people were smoking it in restaurants, would you take your children there? I doubt it.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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Oh no. This nice thread is now going to become the smoking controversy thread.

This is why we can't have nice things!
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Wherever it is, I am sure it is cosmopolitan
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If you can ban people coming in your establishment for not wearing proper dress or not behaving properly, you can sure as heck ban them for smoking which is harmful to others, not to mention the fact it's STUPID (coming from a former smoker). If marijuana was legal and people were smoking it in restaurants, would you take your children there? I doubt it.
Are you confused? There are no laws stating that one has to have "proper dress" to dine. BUSINESS OWNERS set those standards for their own business. That was the point I was making, which you clearly misunderstood. I believe that BUSINESS OWNERS should set standards of allowing or banning smoking, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

The point is that bleeding hearts seem to forget that the government has NO BUSINESS telling business owners what they can allow as far as LEGAL substances but YOU have the right NOT to go to a place that has smoking.


Now I will let this thread get back to whatever the point was in the first place.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:37 AM
 
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ncisgreat, this thread is, I believe, meant to be a joke. I don't think it's a serious call as to what to ban in NC.

And, although I absolutely detest smoking, I agree that the government need less intrusion in our lives rather than more.

You don't always have to be so caustic though....more flies with honey and all that.
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Old 11-16-2007, 10:39 AM
 
Location: Wherever it is, I am sure it is cosmopolitan
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ncisgreat, this thread is, I believe, meant to be a joke. I don't think it's a serious call as to what to ban in NC.

And, although I absolutely detest smoking, I agree that the government need less intrusion in our lives rather than more.

You don't always have to be so caustic though....more flies with honey and all that.
I was answering this:
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i want to ban smoking in public establishments ... seriously
And I don't want to catch flies, but thanks for your concern.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
 
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Is it to late to ban the coming of winter and just skip to spring???
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Are you confused? There are no laws stating that one has to have "proper dress" to dine. BUSINESS OWNERS set those standards for their own business. That was the point I was making, which you clearly misunderstood. I believe that BUSINESS OWNERS should set standards of allowing or banning smoking, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

The point is that bleeding hearts seem to forget that the government has NO BUSINESS telling business owners what they can allow as far as LEGAL substances but YOU have the right NOT to go to a place that has smoking.


Now I will let this thread get back to whatever the point was in the first place.

How is cigarettes different if individual towns ban restaurant owners from serving alcohol? There certainly are laws banning alcohol being served in various towns...

I have my own opinions, but....

Do you have a problem w/local and federal government, or banned cigarettes in general?

Just trying to see what your actual beef is....
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Old 11-16-2007, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Are you confused? There are no laws stating that one has to have "proper dress" to dine. BUSINESS OWNERS set those standards for their own business. That was the point I was making, which you clearly misunderstood. I believe that BUSINESS OWNERS should set standards of allowing or banning smoking, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

The point is that bleeding hearts seem to forget that the government has NO BUSINESS telling business owners what they can allow as far as LEGAL substances but YOU have the right NOT to go to a place that has smoking.


Now I will let this thread get back to whatever the point was in the first place.
If their were no regulations the vast majority of business owners would allow smoking. So the option of going somewhere else really doesn't exist. It becomes an option of not going out or going out and putting your health at risk. Someone should not have to choose between not going out and putting their health at risk. Which was the basic premise behind the law. Also the people who work in these establishments have their health put at risk. Some might say well get a new job, well anyone who was laid off from work, or stuck in a job they didn't like can tell you simply finding another job isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world. People shouldn't have to make the decision between working and staying healthy.

Now do some of the bans go a bit overboard? Perhaps, but no regulations is far from the answer either. People shouldn't have to put their health at risk simply because they want a night out or need to work.

As far as the original question, not really sure as I'm not down there yet, though I'm sure the ban on people not from Charlotte wouldn't work since it seems 1/2 of Charlotte is former New yorkers, and will have more as my parents are likely to move down there and I might as well.
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Old 11-16-2007, 06:45 PM
 
Location: charlotte, nc
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Is it to late to ban the coming of winter and just skip to spring???

we can most certainly add that to the list! in fact I think we can ban summer AND winter since they're both too extreme for me!
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