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The cruze diesel version being sold in the US is over priced, has terrible fuel economy and doesn't offer a stick. I'll pass. The 1.4 turbo is both cheaper to buy and cheaper to fuel per mile.
GM really screwed the pooch on this one. They should have offered the 1.7/6spd they sell in the rest of the world. Never under estimate GM's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victor
It isn't being sold in the US yet. It also has about the same MPG rating as a VW Jetta. I'd buy a GM product any day over anything from VW over reliability issues alone.
In Europe we have a majority of cars powered by diesel. And believe me, they create a huge pollution problem. By far worse than anything gasoline causes. The US should by all means avoid this.
A big part of why you see so few diesel cars in the US is because they have to meet the same emissions requirements as gasoline vehicles. This has proven to be technically difficult and expensive.
In Europe we have a majority of cars powered by diesel. And believe me, they create a huge pollution problem. By far worse than anything gasoline causes. The US should by all means avoid this.
But I thought that the new requirements, at least in the US meant that the diesels being sold now are fairly clean? The concern in the US was over not just CO2 emissions, but NOX and particulate matter emissions. The current lineup of diesels both use forms of after-exhaust treatments like Uria injection and so on. I know for fact that in California, you couldn't buy a new VW TDI until a few years later when the newer ones they now sell meet those regulations, which the upcoming Cruze diesel will as well.
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...I know for fact that in California, you couldn't buy a new VW TDI until a few years later when the newer ones they now sell meet those regulations, which the upcoming Cruze diesel will as well.
And the end to yet another great business venture for those who would buy a new Diesel and run it 2,000 miles so it could be sold into CA
Yes the reduction of NOX, SOX and soot particles are of concern.
Just a FYI, not one diesel that has been sold in the US scene 07 when the new reg came out meets the EPA's regulations, not one.
They had to buy credits or some such thing to get around the epa regs so they could be sold in the US.
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But I thought that the new requirements, at least in the US meant that the diesels being sold now are fairly clean? The concern in the US was over not just CO2 emissions, but NOX and particulate matter emissions. The current lineup of diesels both use forms of after-exhaust treatments like Uria injection and so on. I know for fact that in California, you couldn't buy a new VW TDI until a few years later when the newer ones they now sell meet those regulations, which the upcoming Cruze diesel will as well.
The only reason America doesn't get some models , or complete car lines, to sell here is........ federal emission testing and certification.
This process is long , costly and very involved for each and every car that is sold in America. Because it is so costly to get a EPA approval for each car model they make manufactures can't afford to make all the cars they build worldwide available in America. Sad, but very true.............
And this is a big reason why I was car-free for a number of years and might go that route again real shortly.
The lack of any real choices when it comes to manual transmission and small Diesel options, along with 4x4 relegate the rest of us to the "used and questionable reliability" market.
I definitely agree about the super-sized pickup thing as well.
5-6 speed manual with a 4x4 and Cummins sounds good, but when it's nearly the size of a semi-tractor, no thanks.
It isn't being sold in the US yet. It also has about the same MPG rating as a VW Jetta. I'd buy a GM product any day over anything from VW over reliability issues alone.
They're both garbage. I wouldn't buy either especially not for $26k or whatever the asking price is. I'll stick to the reliable diesels I already own thank you very much.
1) federal emissions testing
2) The FMVSS doesn't match Euro standards
3) 2.5% duty on imported vehicles
Without those imposing barriers to entry, manufacturers could produce more niche products (ute, compact pickup, wagon, etc.) and still make a profit by selling small numbers of the same vehicle in many countries.
They're both garbage. I wouldn't buy either especially not for $26k or whatever the asking price is. I'll stick to the reliable diesels I already own thank you very much.
Cruze is highly rated, reliability-wise.
Thank you as well.
Cruze is highly rated, reliability-wise.
Thank you as well.
LOL please stop embarrassing yourself. The Cruze a POS rental car for suckers who don't know any better.Its down there with the VW garbage.
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to yet another great business venture 
for those who would buy a new Diesel and run it 2,000 miles so it could be sold into CA
