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Old 01-13-2008, 12:07 PM
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I still wouldn't buy either of them. I love my Acura GSR Integra sedan with its manual transmission. And I have much love for the older BMW sedans.

Chevrolet Malibu, Mazda CX-9 win Car, Truck awards - Jan. 13, 2008
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Old 01-13-2008, 01:40 PM
 
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I still wouldn't buy either of them. I love my Acura GSR Integra sedan with its manual transmission. And I have much love for the older BMW sedans.

Chevrolet Malibu, Mazda CX-9 win Car, Truck awards - Jan. 13, 2008
Is it me,but i think the malibu looks like a buick lucerene.My choice will be the camry.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:21 AM
 
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I still wouldn't buy either of them. I love my Acura GSR Integra sedan with its manual transmission. And I have much love for the older BMW sedans.

Chevrolet Malibu, Mazda CX-9 win Car, Truck awards - Jan. 13, 2008
Is it because it is meant to last only ONE year .
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:27 AM
 
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Is it because it is meant to last only ONE year .
Here let me help you out a little. Try this:

"Congratulations to GM and Chevy. Two 'car of the year' awards in one model year. What an accomplishment from the horrid vehicles they were putting out just 10 years ago. I am glad an American company is finally rising to the occasion."
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:32 AM
 
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Here let me help you out a little. Try this:

"Congratulations to GM and Chevy. Two 'car of the year' awards in one model year. What an accomplishment from the horrid vehicles they were putting out just 10 years ago. I am glad an American company is finally rising to the occasion."
I don't need your help really. Talk to me in 2-3 years time when their reliability ratings come out.

American cars with my own money, no thanks.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:40 AM
 
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I don't need your help really. Talk to me in 2-3 years time when their reliability ratings come out.

American cars with my own money, no thanks.
From 2002:

"Consumer Reports Finds Improved Reliability in Hyundai, GM & Volvo Models- Toyota Drops"

From 2005:

"Asian auto brands' reliability uneven

Chevy Monte Carlo, Mercury Mariner SUV rank among most dependable in Consumer Reports survey."

From 2007: (Edmunds)

"Top 5 most reliable cars
1. Buick
1. Lexus
3. Cadillac
4. Mercury
5. Honda"

See a trend here?

Why would you not want a company in your country that employs tens of thousands directly and tens of thousands indirect not doing well?
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Old 01-16-2008, 11:46 AM
 
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From 2002:

"Consumer Reports Finds Improved Reliability in Hyundai, GM & Volvo Models- Toyota Drops"

From 2005:

"Asian auto brands' reliability uneven

Chevy Monte Carlo, Mercury Mariner SUV rank among most dependable in Consumer Reports survey."

From 2007: (Edmunds)

"Top 5 most reliable cars
1. Buick
1. Lexus
3. Cadillac
4. Mercury
5. Honda"

See a trend here?

Why would you not want a company in your country that employs tens of thousands directly and tens of thousands indirect not doing well?
You are wrong here. Most Japanese cars are manufactured in the US as well. Lets not mix things up about reliability (that is earned over a period of time) and morality (of wanting or not wanting companies to do well). Believe me I would love nothing more than to own an American car (my first car was a Dodge btw) but with oil prices going the way they are going and with the Japanese car companies out-innovating the Big three leaves me with no choice really. I think Hybrid is the way to go and Toyota is a leader in hybrid, infact Honda's FCX might be something more revolutionary (but I will reserve my judgement till more reports are out).
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:50 PM
 
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You are wrong here. Most Japanese cars are manufactured in the US as well.
Not sure of your point but reliability has nothing to do with assembly (or at least shouldn't) it has everything to do with engineering. Americans don't engineer these Japanese cars.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:22 PM
 
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Not sure of your point but reliability has nothing to do with assembly (or at least shouldn't) it has everything to do with engineering. Americans don't engineer these Japanese cars.
Reliability has nothing to do with assembly, how naive.

Just a question, do you drive a Chevy Malibu?? If yes, I feel your pain.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:35 PM
 
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Reliability has nothing to do with assembly, how naive.

Just a question, do you drive a Chevy Malibu?? If yes, I feel your pain.
No I don't, and my disclaimer was that it technically should not have anything to do with reliability, how is that wrong? The observation of certain models running longer than other models has everything to do with engineering.
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