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Old 07-10-2023, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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Yes. The July/August Car and Driver features a Corvette Z06 Porsche 911 GT3 comparison. Corvette Z06 base price: $109,295; as equipped: $169,515. Porsche 911 GT3 base price: $185,850; as equipped: $211,405. That requires a lot of discretionary income. There is a common complaint that the younger generations are not as wealthy as us baby boomers. As we die off, the market for sports cars is likely to further decline.
Well, what's the difference between a sports car and a muscle car? Well, for one thing, the muscle car was cheaper, but past that.....there was a lot of sport in the muscle car.

OF COURSE, these days, we probably don't have the muscle car....or at least, not at the less expensive prices to the sports car (though how much muscle one can have with a V4, maybe a V6, to a V8 is a big question).

As I said, it may not just be our cars but also the kind of people we have become. Or, perhaps, we stopped being muscle car people and became muscle trucks which goes back to how the SUV started. The gov't said such and such regulations for cars....but they didn't apply to trucks.
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Old 07-10-2023, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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The modern version of the 'muscle car' is the 'hot hatch' i.e. a Golf GTI/Civic R etc.. Of course, those are typically around 40-45k new as well, so not exactly a car a kid fresh out of school would purchase either, but still well below what the sports cars cost.
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Old 07-10-2023, 03:25 PM
 
Location: western NY
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Well, what's the difference between a sports car and a muscle car? Well, for one thing, the muscle car was cheaper, but past that.....there was a lot of sport in the muscle car.

Or, perhaps, we stopped being muscle car people and became muscle trucks which goes back to how the SUV started. The gov't said such and such regulations for cars....but they didn't apply to trucks.
I think the term "muscle car" was coined, because most of the performance cars, beginning in the 50s, were basically regular models, generally 2 doors, that had the largest engine offered, under the hood. Initially, they were based on the full sized body, then dropping down to the lighter, intermediate sized 2 door hardtops. My first brand new car, for example was a '71 Chevelle SS454.

Sports cars were generally considered 2 seaters, but with big engines, nonetheless. And I agree with you, the big engined pick ups were a way to sidestep the Government strangulation of the original muscle cars.
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Old 07-10-2023, 03:37 PM
 
Location: Texas Hill Country
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The modern version of the 'muscle car' is the 'hot hatch' i.e. a Golf GTI/Civic R etc.. Of course, those are typically around 40-45k new as well, so not exactly a car a kid fresh out of school would purchase either, but still well below what the sports cars cost.
What would Mean Mary Jean say?
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Old 07-10-2023, 08:52 PM
 
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Maybe in flyover country. Murican metal had already completely lost the in to imports by 1986. An Olds Cutlass was decidedly uncool in my metro Boston high tech office park parking lot.

So pretentious, this. I grew up in Greater Boston and the G bodies were everywhere in the 80s. They were among the most "respected" in high school parking lots well through the 90s.
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