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Old 07-07-2023, 11:16 PM
 
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Outside of the Corvette, why doesnt GM make cars that excite or people want? Their fun brands like Oldsmobile and Pontiac are gone, it seems like people settle on buying their cars because of the price versus any excitement of the vehicle itself. Are they just playing it to safe for the sake of the shareholder? Too much bowing down to the government? Do they just have a bunch yes-men engineers who do as said versus the daring bad boys like John Delorean? Its a shame, their brands went from world class to bottom of the barrel fleet cars.
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Old 07-07-2023, 11:40 PM
 
Location: Malibu CA in Summer, Naples FL in Winter
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They tried and failed miserably. Example the Camaro, either you hurt yourself getting in and out of it or it causes claustrophobia.
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Old 07-08-2023, 01:20 AM
 
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I've never been interested in any of GM's offerings. I'm looking for something with a six speed manual, AWD, and a turbo. GM has nothing like an EVO X or a WRX STI.
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Old 07-08-2023, 03:21 AM
 
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When was Oldsmobile a “fun brand”? That was always a geezer brand. The average age of buyers in 1996 was 60. GM tried to take the brand younger and failed miserably. They tried for four years and announced in 2000 that 2004 was the last year. Buick and Cadillac have both always been that geezer demographic. The average age of Corvette buyers is 61.
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Old 07-08-2023, 05:55 AM
 
Location: western NY
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......... The average age of Corvette buyers is 61.
Primarily because of high sticker prices, and high insurance rates for a "performance" car. While many 20 year olds would love to own a Corvette, I know I did, they were out of my budget until I was in my late 40s. And since I retired in my mid-50s, my budget says that my now 20 year old Corvette will be just fine for my needs, for many years into the future.....
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Old 07-08-2023, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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They tried and failed miserably. Example the Camaro, either you hurt yourself getting in and out of it or it causes claustrophobia.
I don't understand why Chevy was so stubborn with the modern Camaro design. With that high beltline and low roofline, it looked really cool from the outside, but visibility wasn't great from inside - virtually every reviewer, whether from big auto mags, little YouTube channels, or owners commented on that, but Chevy never budged. Another frequent comment was that while it handled awesome on the track, especially with the track package, the ride on the street wasn't great. It's not like a company that size can't address this kind of input, but they just didn't. Mustang was better in both these aspects and Mustang was selling a lot better.
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Old 07-08-2023, 07:45 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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I don't understand why Chevy was so stubborn with the modern Camaro design. With that high beltline and low roofline, it looked really cool from the outside, but visibility wasn't great from inside - virtually every reviewer, whether from big auto mags, little YouTube channels, or owners commented on that, but Chevy never budged. Another frequent comment was that while it handled awesome on the track, especially with the track package, the ride on the street wasn't great. It's not like a company that size can't address this kind of input, but they just didn't. Mustang was better in both these aspects and Mustang was selling a lot better.

Me neither, unlike Ford who I believe has done a great job in maintaining Mustang family looks for so many years I've thought this generation Camaro looks as much Mopar as it does Camaro.
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Old 07-08-2023, 07:48 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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When was Oldsmobile a “fun brand”? That was always a geezer brand. The average age of buyers in 1996 was 60. GM tried to take the brand younger and failed miserably. They tried for four years and announced in 2000 that 2004 was the last year. Buick and Cadillac have both always been that geezer demographic. The average age of Corvette buyers is 61.

They had their flirtations with fun. Jetfire, 4-4-2, Hurst Olds come quickly to mind.
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Old 07-08-2023, 08:00 AM
 
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Outside of the Corvette, why doesnt GM make cars that excite or people want? Their fun brands like Oldsmobile and Pontiac are gone, it seems like people settle on buying their cars because of the price versus any excitement of the vehicle itself. Are they just playing it to safe for the sake of the shareholder? Too much bowing down to the government? Do they just have a bunch yes-men engineers who do as said versus the daring bad boys like John Delorean? Its a shame, their brands went from world class to bottom of the barrel fleet cars.
well to be fair, they dont make any cars really, outside of the corvette and the departed camaro....one version of a rental car? meh. its all trucks (and who needs them) or suvs. at my age, I dont need the debt for something Im rarely going to use. I have 3 'cars' now, the lowest in my life since college. 2 of them are over 30 years old.... Q E D
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Old 07-08-2023, 08:07 AM
 
Location: sumter
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Government Regulations is a part of it for sure, especially when it is regulated by two agencies and future regulations on the horizon. I also believe the culture around cars and driving is changing and have changed so much over the years. I Hardley ever meet a real car enthusiast anymore, or people who love cars and love talking about them. My boys didn't take the love of cars after me, they can care less and will just drive whatever. And out of all the guys that I used to work with, only two of them I could hold a conversation with about cars.
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