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Old 07-08-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's when Country Club Hills was a nice little suburb. When did all of that change?!?!?! When I drove through there the other day I saw teens fighting in the streets, unkept lawns, run down strip malls with nothing but trash in the parking lot and beauty supply stores. Even the wikipedia page for CCH said its turning to crap.

Country Club Hills, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When did all of this start to happen? How are the other suburbs doing? (Homewood, Tinley, Hazel Crest,etc.)
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:07 PM
 
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Wow, so some pathetic RACIST actually took the time to change and post completely fake facts about Country Club Hills on Wikipedia. Pretty slick, very J Edgar Hoover like. For those of you who don't know wikipedia is a popular encyclodepia website that foolishly allows it's users to update the pages with there own facts. Great idea for an encyclopedia hah? Anyway Country Club hills was just edited today with totally false information, if I had to guess probably by the original poster of this topic. This person basically tried to pass off his fake numbers as the new 2010 census numbers that haven't even been published yet for neighborhood specifics. How could you easily tell this person's data was totally made up? For one he only changed some of the numbers like household income, the percent of single parent households, the poverty rate and such. This person altered them drastically. Then this person left all the other numbers EXACTLY the same as they were in the 2000 census, such as area population. The original Country Club Hills page has been restored and the edits have been deleted. Anyway I posted the page that has the fake crap on it before the original page was restored just so everyone can see how far a racist will go.







Country Club Hills, IllinoisCounty:CookTownship:BremenMayorwight WelchZIP code(s):60478Area code(s):708Population (2000):16,169Density:3,504.4/mi² (1,354.2/km²)Area:4.6 mi² (11.9 km²)Per capita income:$11,561
(median: $30,701)Home value:$100,281 (2010)
(median: $97,500)Website:countryclubhills.orgDemographics[SIZE=1][1][/SIZE]WhiteBlackHispanicAsian4.51%91.90%1.73%1.01%IslanderNativeOther0.00%0.15%0.54%
Country Club Hills is a city in Cook County, Illinois, United States. The population was 16,169 at the 2010 census.
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[SIZE=2][[/SIZE][SIZE=2]hide[/SIZE][SIZE=2]][/SIZE]Geography

Country Club Hills is located at 41°33′44″N 87°43′15″W / 41.56222°N 87.72083°W / 41.56222; -87.72083[SIZE=2]Coordinates[/SIZE][SIZE=2]: 41°33′44″N 87°43′15″W / 41.56222°N 87.72083°W / 41.56222; -87.72083[/SIZE] (41.562107, -87.720844)[2].
According to the United States Census Bureau, the city has a total area of 4.6 square miles (12.0 km²), of which, 4.6 square miles (11.9 km²) of it is land and 0.04 square miles (0.1 km²) of it (0.43%) is water.
Demographics

As of the 2010 census[3], there were 16,169 people, 5,297 households, and 4,248 families residing in the city. The population density was 3,504.4 people per square mile (1,354.2/km²). There were 5,491 housing units at an average density of 1,190.1/sq mi (459.9/km²). The racial makeup of the city was 4.51% White, 91.90% African American, 0.15% Native American, 1.01% Asian, 0.54% from other races, and 1.88% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.73% of the population.
The top three non-African American ancentries reported in Country Club Hills as of the 2000 census were German (2.0%), Irish (1.0%) and Polish (1.51%).[4]
There were 5,297 households out of which 40.9% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 32.4% were married couples living together, 43.0% had a female householder with no husband present, and 9.6% were non-families. 12.0% of all households were made up of individuals and 3.0% had someone living alone who was 65 years of age or older. The average household size was 5.05 and the average family size was 7.42.
In the city the population was spread out with 30.7% under the age of 18, 8.7% from 18 to 24, 29.0% from 25 to 44, 24.5% from 45 to 64, and 7.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 34 years. For every 100 females there were 85.0 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 79.9 males.
The median income for a household in the city was $20,701, and the median income for a family was $38,577. Males had a median income of $28,088 versus $22,759 for females. The per capita income for the city was $11,561. About 10.0% of families and 7.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 15.0% of those under age 18 and 9.1% of those age 65 or over.
Decline

Country Club Hills has been seeing a decline in the overall middle class population since the mid 2000's. Many former Country Club Hills residents are moving to nearby communities such as Tinley Park, Homewood, and Lynwood, along with Orland Park, and Olympia Fields.
Crime in the city is also on the rise. In 2009, the crime index for this city was 389.5 . The national average is 320.9 . Also in 2009, Country Club Hills had three murders in a two week period.
As of July 2010, Country Club Hills has some of highest property taxes in the Southland region.
Government

Country Club Hills is divided between two congressional districts. Nearly all of the city is in Illinois' 2nd congressional district, but some small areas along the city's western edge – primarily between 179th and 183rd Streets west of Lavergne Avenue – are in the 1st district.
Library

Country Club Hills is part of the Grande Prairie Public Library District, which also includes Hazel Crest. The Grande Prairie Public Library is located at 3479 W. 183rd in Hazel Crest. The library is a member of the Metropolitan Library System. Residents of Country Club Hills and Hazel Crest are eligible for a free library card.
Developments

As of mid 2006, the City of Country Club Hills is home to Chicago metropolitan area's largest Wal-Mart Supercenter at over 203,000 square feet (18,900 m2). The development serves as an anchor to the first phase of the "Gatling Square Mile," Cook County's largest parcel of undeveloped land at about 400 acres (1.6 km2).
During the first quarter of 2006, the City of Country Club Hills took out a $16 million municipal bond. With the muni bond, the City began construction on a $5 million amphitheatre on the City Campus on 183rd Street, a $2 million fire station to be constructed on 175th Street, an upgraded Community Park on 175th Street and various infrastructure improvement projects.
Another ambitious project put forth by Mayor Dwight Welch and the City Council has been taking over the Country Club Hills Park District on December 15, 2005.Water park and Outlet mall soon to be developed in near future.
Notable people
In the Southland

Country Club Hills is neighbored by Hazel Crest to the east, Flossmoor and Matteson to the south, Oak Forest to the northwest, Markham to the north, and the Cook County Forest Preserves and Tinley Park to the west.
Schools

Since 1967, Country Club Hills has been home to Bremen Community High School District 228's Hillcrest High School located at 175th & Pulaski (Crawford).
Hillcrest High School has failed the Illinois State Standards test for the last six years. The school is also on the "academic watch list".
Proposed Casino

Also, in 2003 and 2004, Country Club Hills was the base of a potential casino development on the Square Mile on 167th Street & Pulaski. After the Illinois Gaming Board's long awaited decision process, the Village of Des Plaines to the north near O'Hare International Airport was awarded the final casino license.

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Old 07-08-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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Here is a link to Country Club Hills' most recent FACTUAL neighborhood specific information as of 2008 https://www.city-data.com/city/Countr...-Illinois.html .
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Old 07-08-2010, 06:49 PM
 
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The troll/vandal's editing was short-lived. The Wikipedia administration is on the ball. It's not an academic site but Wikipedia is more trustworthy than anything read on a City-Data forum IMO..

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Old 07-08-2010, 07:47 PM
 
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Wow, so some pathetic RACIST actually took the time to change and post completely fake facts about Country Club Hills on Wikipedia. Pretty slick, very J Edgar Hoover like. For those of you who don't know wikipedia is a popular encyclodepia website that foolishly allows it's users to update the pages with there own facts. Great idea for an encyclopedia hah? Anyway Country Club hills was just edited today with totally false information, if I had to guess probably by the original poster of this topic.

I am not the one responsible for altering the wiki page. I haven't lived in the area since the early 90's and saw the older threads and post by some members that stated CCH went down the tubes and wanted to see when it started to happen. So I googled "Country Club Hills,IL crime" and that fake wiki page is what popped up. Sorry but I am not that advanced with computers to hack, or in this case, edit a well known site. I couldn't even get the link right for good gravy sakes.
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Old 07-08-2010, 09:09 PM
 
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Wow, that's pathetic. Someone out there must really have enough of a grudge against CCH's to edit a wiki page. Some people need better hobbies I guess.
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Old 07-08-2010, 10:32 PM
 
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The funniest thing is that whoever did this now has their IP address recorded with Wikipedia forever...The next time they pull something like that, they will be PERMANANTLY blocked from the site.
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Old 07-09-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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I remember back in the late 80's and early 90's when Country Club Hills was a nice little suburb. When did all of that change?!?!?! When I drove through there the other day I saw teens fighting in the streets, unkept lawns, run down strip malls with nothing but trash in the parking lot and beauty supply stores. Even the wikipedia page for CCH said its turning to crap.

Country Club Hills, Illinois - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

When did all of this start to happen? How are the other suburbs doing? (Homewood, Tinley, Hazel Crest,etc.)
CC Hills went downhill RAPIDLY in the late 90s like it basically collapsed. The whites fled like a bunch of Lemmings for New Lenox, Frankfort, and Mokena taking with them all of their money and leaving behind a bunch of broke @s$es basically or people who had no business buying a home in the first place but got a home loan anyway thanks to congress and senate demanding banks lend to everyone regardless of income or credit history and of course those folks later ended up in foreclosure (what a shocker, Barney Frank I'm lookin in your direction ) Anyhow, there was a huge article written up in the Southtownstar about a year ago how foreclosures are at record levels in CCHills and in some cases some blocks sit only 25% occupied where 3 out of 4 homes sit in foreclosure and because of this the town had to begin gouging the remaining residents with taxes just to stay afloat and of course we all know what that does to the remaining residents. (They up and leave) Anyhow, the town tried doing what it could by bringing in Super Wal Mart which helped some, but still doesn't fix the fact that many white folks won't step foot back in that town again and many of the African Americans were priced out of the market over there thanks to high taxes and high home prices (vs surrounding towns like Richton Park, Matteson, Glenwood, etc) so basically that means nobody wants to move over there. Oh and let's not forget about the huge outlet mall of which the plans for that fell thru. (What a surprise) This all leaves the town in major termoil.
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Old 07-09-2010, 10:56 AM
 
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CC Hills went downhill RAPIDLY in the late 90s like it basically collapsed. The whites fled like a bunch of Lemmings for New Lenox, Frankfort, and Mokena taking with them all of their money and leaving behind a bunch of broke @s$es basically or people who had no business buying a home in the first place but got a home loan anyway thanks to congress and senate demanding banks lend to everyone regardless of income or credit history and of course those folks later ended up in foreclosure (what a shocker, Barney Frank I'm lookin in your direction ) Anyhow, there was a huge article written up in the Southtownstar about a year ago how foreclosures are at record levels in CCHills and in some cases some blocks sit only 25% occupied where 3 out of 4 homes sit in foreclosure and because of this the town had to begin gouging the remaining residents with taxes just to stay afloat and of course we all know what that does to the remaining residents. (They up and leave) Anyhow, the town tried doing what it could by bringing in Super Wal Mart which helped some, but still doesn't fix the fact that many white folks won't step foot back in that town again and many of the African Americans were priced out of the market over there thanks to high taxes and high home prices (vs surrounding towns like Richton Park, Matteson, Glenwood, etc) so basically that means nobody wants to move over there. Oh and let's not forget about the huge outlet mall of which the plans for that fell thru. (What a surprise) This all leaves the town in major termoil.


The foreclosure rate in Country Club Hills is high and is probably the highest of the middle class suburbs in that area. But this is not a problem just related to country clubs hills. It also exist in many of the WHITE suburbs that you mention all of the whites fled to. In many cases they are not faring any better than country club hills do to over building and the home prices that were inflated compared to the average incomes of the people purchasing the homes. For instance these mostly white suburbs have just as high foreclosure rates or even higher in a couple of cases, Joliet, Plainfield, Romeoville, Monee, Bolingbrook, Lockport, Crest Hill, and Braidwood just to name a few. It's not about race in this case my friend. Your scenario that country club hills has been stagnant since the 1990's is far from the truth. In fact you could argue that there was actually over building in country club hills also. I would argue that in country club hills too many new homes were built just like in some of the other majority white areas that I mentioned. More than the current market can absorb. And the home prices of these new houses in country club hills where expensive upscale homes, many selling north of 500k. The prices are now falling in those places also just like in country club hills. The picture is not just black and white. We always tend to mention the southern suburbs with large populations of blacks that are having trouble and the majority white suburbs that are succeeding. But, we never talk about the majority white suburbs that are having trouble and any of the suburbs with large populations of blacks that are suceeding. Sure, some of the suburbs that you mentioned such as New Lenox, Frankfort, and Mokena are faring better than most as far as foreclosures in these tough economic times and they also happen to have high white populations. More importantantly all of the areas that you mentioned have much higher average household incomes than Country Club Hills and the ones that I mentioned Joliet, Plainfield, Romeoville, Monee, bolingbrook, Lockport, Crest Hill, and Braidwood have more comparable household incomes. I would compare the ones you mentioned more to Flossmoor, Olympia Fields, and homewood which all have large populations of blacks and the foreclosure rates are just as low if not lower than the ones that you mentioned. Not to say that foreclosures aren't happening in New Lenox, Frankfort, Mokena or Flossmoor, Olympia Fields, or homewood for that matter. But yeah, statistics are showing that they are much lower in those areas mentioned.

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Old 07-09-2010, 12:23 PM
 
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The foreclosure rate in Country Club Hills is high and is probably the highest of the middle class suburbs in that area. But this is not a problem just related to country clubs hills. It also exist in many of the WHITE suburbs that you mention all of the whites fled to. In many cases they are not faring any better than country club hills do to over building and the home prices that were inflated compared to the average incomes of the people purchasing the homes. For instance these mostly white suburbs have just as high foreclosure rates or even higher in a couple of cases, Joliet, Plainfield, Romeoville, Monee, Bolingbrook, Lockport, Crest Hill, and Braidwood just to name a few. It's not about race in this case my friend. Your scenario that country club hills has been stagnant since the 1990's is far from the truth. In fact you could argue that there was actually over building in country club hills also. I would argue that in country club hills too many new homes were built just like in some of the other majority white areas that I mentioned. More than the current market can absorb. And the home prices of these new houses were also a bit too high for country club hills, many selling north of 450k. The prices are now falling in those places also just like in country club hills. The picture is not just black and white. We always tend to mention the southern suburbs with large populations of blacks that are having trouble and the majority white suburbs that are succeeding. But, we never talk about the majority white suburbs that are having trouble and any of the suburbs with large populations of blacks that are suceeding. Sure, some of the suburbs that you mentioned such as New Lenox, Frankfort, and Mokena are faring better than most as far as foreclosures in these tough economic times and they also happen to have high white populations. More importantantly all of the areas that you mentioned have much higher average household incomes than Country Club Hills and the ones that I mentioned Joliet, Plainfield, Romeoville, Monee, bolingbrook, Lockport, Crest Hill, and Braidwood have more comparable household incomes. I would compare the ones you mentioned more to Flossmoor, Olympia Fields, and homewood which all have large populations of blacks and the foreclosure rates are just as low if not lower than the ones that you mentioned. Not to say that foreclosures aren't happening in New Lenox, Frankfort, Mokena or Flossmoor, Olympia Fields, or homewood for that matter. But yeah, statistics are showing that they are much lower in those areas mentioned.
Um since when is Joliet considered a white area? What year was that? 1950? Same goes for Crest Hill. Have you been to these two towns? Like in the past year not 20 years ago. Bolingbrook is is also about half black with about 20% latins and then the rest might be a mixture of white and arabs, and then you have Monee listed which is a "white flight" burb. SO out of the 8 towns you listed 4 of them are NOT white burbs or are changing. Bad examples "my friend" if you compared apples to apples like Midlothian to CC Hills, or Crestwood to CC Hills, or Tinley Park to CC Hills, or Oak Forest to CC Hills, need I go on? Then maybe I would have given you that, but to take a town that is "changing" another which is "white trash ville usa" then some towns which are also black burbs or a city of which are WAY out away from the city and compare them and say that these are good comps, I'm sorry I have to disagree. Joliet, Crest Hill, Monee, and Bolingbrook are not good examples of WHITE towns. Orland Park, Tinley Park, Crestwood, Oak Lawn, Palos Heights, Park, and Hills, Lockport (ok I'll give you that however there is a HUGE black area there as well), Manhattan, and Lemont are examples of white burbs.
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