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Old 09-14-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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huh , Jersey City is very nice these days and Newark is starting to turn around....
They attempt to spruce up and attract Jersey City but you know what is the worse thing about that. You have to look at Manhattan and say boy would I like to go over there. I wish it didn't take me an hour to get under the tunnel.
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:03 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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They attempt to spruce up and attract Jersey City but you know what is the worse thing about that. You have to look at Manhattan and say boy would I like to go over there. I wish it didn't take me an hour to get under the tunnel.
Well they did make it nice , they didn't attempt to. Its been Gentfried since the mid-1990s and is a great alt to NYC which is 2x more expensive. After 9/11 , Jersey City really became a hub for companies relocating and alot of have stayed in JC. By 2025 Jersey City will be = to Manhattan or Queens there are 4 large Scale Redevelopment projects about 6 sq miles in total about to break ground next year.
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:08 PM
 
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That is great. Nothing is better than the recovery of a city. I was just discussing that any city can be recovered if the leaders had an interest besides their own gain.
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Old 09-14-2011, 10:53 PM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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Why is Jersey City being discussed in a Chicagoland-centric forum?
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:03 AM
 
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Perhaps because he's indirectly drawing a parallel between Jersey City to say, Hammond, Indiana. As we all know, Hammond is historically quite industrial in nature, but is really just a hop, skip and a jump away from downtown Chicago. Whether you take the South Shore Line train, or drive up the Skyway, you're actually closer to Chicago than many actual Chicago suburbs. Jersey City (NJ) and its surrounding area also has a pretty gritty history if I'm not mistaken. The MAJOR difference is that now in 2011, Jersey City (unlike Hammond) has a thriving white collar industry and is a legitimate financial hub (along with nearby Hoboken, NJ) and generates massive dollars and houses a lot of the data for Wall Street. It has a 24 hour subway train connecting to NYC
known as the PATH train.

Maybe the key to turning around NW Indiana is to introduce some of these types of industries. We all know that Chicago is a major financial hub (esp. when it comes to futures, options, derivatives, and commodities). If NW Indiana ever becomes more than just a manufacturing outpost for ArcelorMittal, and could become a white collar satellite city of Chicago, I think we could see some groundbreaking economic changes occurring within the region.

But alas until any such thing is built, many people might dismiss such ideas as a pipedream. Too many folk in Illinois and Chicago (esp. transplants) probably view the region as a crime-ridden wasteland. As usual, such stereotypes are untrue (might be true in certain pockets only) and simply not fair.

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Why is Jersey City being discussed in a Chicagoland-centric forum?
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Old 09-16-2011, 05:13 AM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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Perhaps because he's indirectly drawing a parallel between Jersey City to say, Hammond, Indiana. As we all know, Hammond is historically quite industrial in nature, but is really just a hop, skip and a jump away from downtown Chicago. Whether you take the South Shore Line train, or drive up the Skyway, you're actually closer to Chicago than many actual Chicago suburbs. Jersey City (NJ) and its surrounding area also has a pretty gritty history if I'm not mistaken. The MAJOR difference is that now in 2011, Jersey City (unlike Hammond) has a thriving white collar industry and is a legitimate financial hub (along with nearby Hoboken, NJ) and generates massive dollars and houses a lot of the data for Wall Street. It has a 24 hour subway train connecting to NYC
known as the PATH train.

Maybe the key to turning around NW Indiana is to introduce some of these types of industries. We all know that Chicago is a major financial hub (esp. when it comes to futures, options, derivatives, and commodities). If NW Indiana ever becomes more than just a manufacturing outpost for ArcelorMittal, and could become a white collar satellite city of Chicago, I think we could see some groundbreaking economic changes occurring within the region.

But alas until any such thing is built, many people might dismiss such ideas as a pipedream. Too many folk in Illinois and Chicago (esp. transplants) probably view the region as a crime-ridden wasteland. As usual, such stereotypes are untrue (might be true in certain pockets only) and simply not fair.
You're talking about something that isn't exclusive to Northwest Indiana but is VERY relevant to the south side, the south suburbs and Kankakee County. The difference is that in Indiana it's really just the northern part of Lake County (like the 1/3rd of the county). And Lake County isn't even ALL of the region. But on the Illinois side of the border, you can find closed down steel mills and factories from 103rd and Torrence in Chicago to East End Avenue in Chicago Heights to Hobbie Avenue in Kankakee. It's so sad to see and it makes me angry. This is how many of my relatives have made their living their whole life.

Seriously, look at a map and see the difference if you don't know exactly what I'm saying. And yes, East End Avenue in Chicago Heights.. OH ****, WRONG WAY, TURN AROUND! That's what's become of the industry that once made the southland great.

And you can't say I'm inconsistent: //www.city-data.com/forum/19547880-post23.html

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Old 09-16-2011, 05:50 AM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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They attempt to spruce up and attract Jersey City but you know what is the worse thing about that. You have to look at Manhattan and say boy would I like to go over there. I wish it didn't take me an hour to get under the tunnel.
Kind of thinking on the same lines.
It must suck living in NJ and seeing the Manhattan skyline.

I can only speculate NJ has a monkey on its back.
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Old 09-17-2011, 01:19 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Kind of thinking on the same lines.
It must suck living in NJ and seeing the Manhattan skyline.

I can only speculate NJ has a monkey on its back.
Its not as bad as you think, the only issue seems to be is when it comes to skylines. Urban Jersey doesn't want to go higher then NYC , and there's also alot of bad mouthing....between the 2 states. Hench why you hear Dirty Jersey and other stereotypes. That can be traced back to the fact that New Yorkers rarely leave there city and explore the rest of the region.
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Old 09-17-2011, 07:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL SouthWest Suburbs
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Its not as bad as you think, the only issue seems to be is when it comes to skylines. Urban Jersey doesn't want to go higher then NYC , and there's also alot of bad mouthing....between the 2 states. Hench why you hear Dirty Jersey and other stereotypes. That can be traced back to the fact that New Yorkers rarely leave there city and explore the rest of the region.
Yeah I would imagine there would be some tension between the two areas.

Never spent a great amount of time out East but from what I know Manhattanites have a bit of an attitude , thinking they are too good for others.

If that was the case you would find my self on the Jersey side
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Old 09-17-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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I think that is the hardest thing Indiana has to overcome is the perception. Just like Manhattan's relationship with the other boroughs, Illinois residents just don't see anything positive to make them want to even consider Indiana but sometimes only on the rare occasion and most of it is perception that prevents them. One of its advantages is not even known by most or either ignored and that would be that it is rather close to the city. Most think of it as being far flung. Continuing with the Manhattan thing it reminds me of how hard it is to convince a cabbie even downtown to take me to DUMBO. To people it just seemed like a different world and that is what NWI reminds me of here.
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