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Old 12-31-2010, 07:07 AM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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True, true, but as "thatgirl2478" pointed out, there are parts of Chicago's south & west sides that make Waukegan look like Disneyland. Other than select pockets, it's not a super dangerous town. It's gotta be safer than Cicero even (a town with somewhat similar demographics but much closer to the city).
I don't understand your analogy. Cicero is supposedly 77% Hispanic while Waukegan is only 49% Hispanic. Waukegan has a significant black population (18%). Cicero's black population is less than 1%. Waukagan has more white people than Cicero. One is diverse city while the other is becoming more and more of a "Mexican enclave" every year.

Although Waukegan does seem to have a murder or two or three every year, the city's crime index is below the national average. Cicero's crime index has also been below the national average a few years. Actually, looking at the figures, crime in Waukegan is more similar to Cicero than demographics.

You north suburbanites on this thread are kinda funny. Down here, we actually have suburbs that are dangerous. Waugegan is Disneyland compared to Harvey, Ford Heights or even Chicago Heights. And I've said before that Chicago Heights isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.

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Old 12-31-2010, 10:33 AM
 
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Hello urza216. Perhaps my analogy was a bit off the mark this time. I don't know about the other north suburbanites, but I can tell you that I am definitely in full agreement with you that some of the high-crime south suburbs are much, much more dangerous than the supposedly high crime pockets up north. I have heard that Harvey is not only dangerous, but supposedly has had allegations of a corrupt police force (correct me if I'm wrong there). I had a friend from Rogers Park that ventured down to Harvey for a "party" one time and instead a group of people attempted to mug him. I think he went down there there because he was trying to meet up with some girl that he had met previously. He did manage to escape unscathed. He told me that their police department laughed when he tried to file a police report with them. They also suggested that he hang out "up north" from now on.

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I don't understand your analogy. Cicero is supposedly 77% Hispanic while Waukegan is only 49% Hispanic. Waukegan has a significant black population (18%). Cicero's black population is less than 1%. Waukagan has more white people than Cicero. One is diverse city while the other is becoming more and more of a "Mexican enclave" every year.

Although Waukegan does seem to have a murder or two or three every year, the city's crime index is below the national average. Cicero's crime index has also been below the national average a few years. Actually, looking at the figures, crime in Waukegan is more similar to Cicero than demographics.

You north suburbanites on this thread are kinda funny. Down here, we actually have suburbs that are dangerous. Waugegan is Disneyland compared to Harvey, Ford Heights or even Chicago Heights. And I've said before that Chicago Heights isn't as bad as some people make it out to be.
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Old 12-31-2010, 03:50 PM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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Hello urza216. Perhaps my analogy was a bit off the mark this time. I don't know about the other north suburbanites, but I can tell you that I am definitely in full agreement with you that some of the high-crime south suburbs are much, much more dangerous than the supposedly high crime pockets up north. I have heard that Harvey is not only dangerous, but supposedly has had allegations of a corrupt police force (correct me if I'm wrong there). I had a friend from Rogers Park that ventured down to Harvey for a "party" one time and instead a group of people attempted to mug him. I think he went down there there because he was trying to meet up with some girl that he had met previously. He did manage to escape unscathed. He told me that their police department laughed when he tried to file a police report with them. They also suggested that he hang out "up north" from now on.
Meh. Harvey is NOT a nice place but your friend sounds a little paranoid. I doubt any group of people attempted to mug him. Although sometimes there are groups of young black guys who think it's funny to try and intimidate twitchy-looking whiteboys. I'm pretty sure race played a factor on his part too.

The Harvey Police prabobly laughed because nothing happened. And I wouldn't expect them to give a damn about much of anything, unless it's another shooting or something. The Harvey Police has a history of corruption too.

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Old 12-31-2010, 04:27 PM
 
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Although sometimes there are groups of young black guys who think it's funny to try and intimidate twitchy-looking whiteboys. I'm pretty sure race played a factor on his part too.
Does almost every post you make have to involve race?
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:34 PM
 
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Does almost every post you make have to involve race?
Come on, now. A north suburbanite goes to Harvey, freaks out about some vague incident and comes home "unscathed"..

You know damn well.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:36 PM
 
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A north suburbanite goes to Harvey, freaks out about some vague incident and comes home "unscathed"
Lucky guy. Black or White.
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Old 12-31-2010, 04:56 PM
 
Location: South Chicagoland
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Lucky guy. Black or White.
Ten bucks says he was whiter than a bag of crack at the Harvey Police station.
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Old 12-31-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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Well just to clarify, the friend lived in Rogers Park at the time (which is within the city limits and on the far north side last I checked), and he is neither black or white. He happens to be a Filipino that hangs out with mainly Latinos. Plug the stats on Rogers Park. It is arguably the most diverse neighborhood in all of Chicago (Edgewater to the south of it is also extremely diverse). It's like the United Nations in that area not unlike Queens, New York or some other extremely diverse area in the USA.

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Meh. Harvey is NOT a nice place but your friend sounds a little paranoid. I doubt any group of people attempted to mug him. Although sometimes there are groups of young black guys who think it's funny to try and intimidate twitchy-looking whiteboys. I'm pretty sure race played a factor on his part too.

The Harvey Police prabobly laughed because nothing happened. And I wouldn't expect them to give a damn about much of anything, unless it's another shooting or something. The Harvey Police has a history of corruption too.
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Old 12-31-2010, 11:43 PM
 
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True, true, but as "thatgirl2478" pointed out, there are parts of Chicago's south & west sides that make Waukegan look like Disneyland. Other than select pockets, it's not a super dangerous town. It's gotta be safer than Cicero even (a town with somewhat similar demographics but much closer to the city).
But the point of the OP was to compare the three towns, Waukegan being 'not as dangerous as sone of Chicago's most deadly neighborhoods' doesn't mean I'd recommend it over Lake Bluff or Gurnee to someone asking which of the three to live in.
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Old 01-01-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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Default Bingo!!!

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But the point of the OP was to compare the three towns, Waukegan being 'not as dangerous as sone of Chicago's most deadly neighborhoods' doesn't mean I'd recommend it over Lake Bluff or Gurnee to someone asking which of the three to live in.
The majority of people that ask about various towns here on city-data are using the info to "fill in the details" from what they've learned from a real estate listing or some clueless relocation service. The "affordability" is often the single greatest factor, and sadly the distortions caused by lumping wildly disparate towns into categories like "average of recent home sales" or "distance from work" obscures the fact that some towns are pretty screwed up...

Waukegan is, in most ways, more like an industrial town in Ohio or Pennsylvania than other spots in the Chicagoland region.
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