01-02-2013, 11:53 PM
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... We were looking for homes in the Cowherd Middle School area, what's the review of the area. Predominant ethnicity? I'm in High School, so I'll be attending East.
The area is predominately is Hispanic, it use to be African American but the gangs pushed the African Americans to the west and south a bit.
The gang violence is intense in the area, if you go to the immediate west from Farnsworth cars are routinely shot at with pellet guns (the game being to break the windows).
I was shot and stabbed about 1 mile west from there back in the early 80s, and that was before the area was considered dangerous.
Let me explain a little about Aurora, there are huge differences in property taxes between district 129 and 131 (131 is where you are looking at) and the difference is due to the difference in the school districts. Your tax bill will likely be 1250-2000 cheaper in 131 than 129. There is a reason I mention this, since you are from Wisconsin let me turn you on to the only good thing I can say about IL, Illinois is very, very friendly to homeschoolers. You might want to look at the cost of home schooling as an alternative for getting a superior educational experience. There are many options including on-line highschool education from the state and also from private companies. We home schooled and had no regrets. Additionally if you are bright you can simply start college early by issuing yourself a degree equivalent. Our son started college when he was 14 as a result.
People worry about socialization with home schoolers but you are likely to live a longer an healthier life by not socializing with the students at east High.
My point is, since on-line virtual accredited high schools exist and have proven success in graduation (unlike East High) one very attractive strategy is to find nice affordable housing on the east side and use the property tax savings to pay for on line education or most of your community college education.
Fro example A-Beka (Christian curriculum) has a very good on-line experience for about 750-1100 a year -
A Beka Academy :: Homeschool Distance Learning
Good luck in your quest.
01-03-2013, 01:52 PM
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Homeschooling takes a great deal of effort to implement effectively. I personally know people who are missing fundamental academic skills because they received a flawed home school education. The tragic part is that they were raised in an above average school district.
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People worry about socialization with home schoolers but you are likely to live a longer an healthier life by not socializing with the students at east High.
Yes, you're better off keeping to yourself than associating with a destructive crowd. But then you won't start to learn relatively basic social skills until you get to an environment where it's safe to be outgoing. Worse, the real world is often not too tolerant of adults who don't have the social skills they were expected to learn as teenagers.
It's much better to be in a healthy social environment as a teenager where social skills can be learned by positive example, and where it's safe to learn by trial and error.
01-03-2013, 03:03 PM
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I don't wanna get into a debate about the value of homeschooling but I think it is important to note that in parlance of homeschooling the term "friendly" basically means "there are no standards to follow / we could care less what happens with your kids if they don't show up school" --
HSLDA | Home School Laws , now I am darned near 100% sure that this is because Illinois is so broke it cannot even begin to figure out how it would actually pay for traunt officiers, but saying that you are better off living in the cheapest town you can stomach does not exactly sound like good advice for building the kind of communities that most people want...
01-05-2013, 12:07 AM
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Homeschooling takes a great deal of effort to implement effectively. I personally know people who are missing fundamental academic skills because they received a flawed home school education. The tragic part is that they were raised in an above average school district.
Yes, you're better off keeping to yourself than associating with a destructive crowd. But then you won't start to learn relatively basic social skills until you get to an environment where it's safe to be outgoing. Worse, the real world is often not too tolerant of adults who don't have the social skills they were expected to learn as teenagers.
It's much better to be in a healthy social environment as a teenager where social skills can be learned by positive example, and where it's safe to learn by trial and error.
It is interesting how you state conjecture as fact. Have you ever home schooled? We did. A great deal of effort, that is subjective at best. Generally I find people who make statements akin to yours don't know of what they speak. Your entire commentary is incongruent with our experience as homeschoolers and those we know who homeschooled. I cannot speak for the people you know who home schooled other than our experience is very different.
In addition the link I gave was for a remote school, which is accredited and not a home school. There are also virtual schools etc, in other words many options that go beyond traditional brick and mortar classroom based instruction.
The point of my initial commentary in this thread is simple, the schools district does not matter if you are going to be home school or attend private school. And in Aurora the difference in property taxes due to the 6 different school districts you could belong to, may pay the differential between home schooling, remote schools, an on line virtual school, and a private school.
01-05-2013, 12:22 AM
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I don't wanna get into a debate about the value of homeschooling but I think it is important to note that in parlance of homeschooling the term "friendly" basically means "there are no standards to follow / we could care less what happens with your kids if they don't show up school" --
HSLDA | Home School Laws , now I am darned near 100% sure that this is because Illinois is so broke it cannot even begin to figure out how it would actually pay for traunt officiers, but saying that you are better off living in the cheapest town you can stomach does not exactly sound like good advice for building the kind of communities that most people want...
LOL. Not even close. In Illinois, a home school is legislatively a school - period. I doubt you get the significance but IL homeschoolers understand it fully and fight to keep those laws in place. Judging by your cocksure "tone" you don;t care to become educated on the topic. So I'll just leave you to wallow in your "near 100% sureness of ignorance.
Secondly, District 131 is what Coward is in. Coward is in a generally very undesirable area, but several areas of 131 are quite nice and quaint neighborhoods. In those locations you can benefit from the fact that 131 is a low tax district especially if you do not have to factor in the quality of the schools.
01-06-2013, 09:12 AM
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LOL. Not even close. In Illinois, a home school is legislatively a school - period. ...
In Illinois schools that serve low income students get a significant portion of their operating expenses from the State, thus the decisions of some districts to allow charter schools that intend to serve primarly low-income students results in opposition from the those who advocate that those funds are used "district wide" instead of "following the child".
Are you saying that legislatively Illinois treats homeschools the same as charter schools? Do you anything to support this assertion?
01-06-2013, 03:39 PM
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Hi Chet (I prefer this conversational tone - it is nice)
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Are you saying that legislatively Illinois treats homeschools the same as charter schools? Do you anything to support this assertion?
No I am not making a comparison with charter schools. Let me try it this way. In IL a school is a designation, once you get that designation, in theory, you meet the state's requirements for a school. A home school is immediately given the designation of a school, ergo it is not actually reviewed as it is assumed to have already met the state's requirements.
In large part that is why IL is considered relatively home schooler friendly. And it precisely why truancy laws do not apply to home schoolers nor oversight.
But my real point was, you have several options for education outside the local brick and mortar public school that I would think parents would at least consider. For one IL has its own virtual school system. It runs in tandem or as an adjunct of your own local school. Around and in the Aurora area there are several private schools, such as Montessori, Aurora Christian. Rosary, Holy Angels etc, some are faith based others are not. You also have on-line virtual schools that are accredited that your children can attend (anyone can). The link I gave for ABeka was just one of many. There are also many options under home schooling, which has a plethora of choices.
The overall point is, when you consider an education for your children there are many viable options. In District 131 they routinely vote down referendums to increase local school funding, as a result they have a significantly lower property tax rate. If you have school age children and live in 131 you may find out that the tax rate differential allows you to educate your children through alternate means essentially for free.
Please note I did not try and list all the benefits of home schooling or other methods, I am just pointing out there are alternatives. In Aurora in particular, more advanced or intelligent children are put at a disadvantage because the majority of a school’s resources are dedicated to raising children who are below the average up and those who are above the average tend to languish on their own or are dumbed down to the average. The preceding is not absolute but a general observation. And yes, I heard, experienced their advanced programs and found them wanting. That problem is not so prevalent in some Naperville schools for example.
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01-06-2013, 05:58 PM
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People worry about socialization with home schoolers but you are likely to live a longer an healthier life by not socializing with the students at east High. Good luck in your quest.
What do you mean by not socializing?
01-06-2013, 06:02 PM
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I completely forgot about this forum for a while. But anyway, I recently visited the neighborhood; I realized that many of the things said on here are true (before seeing this forum again). I heard a little english but it was broken and hard to understand. It clearly catters to Spanish speakers, as there was so many grocery's and stores for them, along with a Taco Bell on Farnsworth (an odd location). I can see why people are/were telling us to avoid the area, as a parking space at the McDonalds was for "Police Only/Policia solo".
01-08-2013, 01:27 AM
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What do you mean by not socializing?
In the past few years there have been a couple of drivebys, that apparently were gang initiations rather than retaliatory gang strikes. The chose studetns jsut hanging out who were likely to be unarmed. Interstingly on two occasions the same off duty aurroa policeman was involved in retrunign fire and saving lives(as I recall). The point is, just socializing as East High can be dangerous to your health at times. Sad, but true. By the way that part of Farnsworth you mention is very tame compared to where Cowherd is. If you go North or South of that area and west a block or so the real trouble starts.
The McDonald and Taco Bell area on Farnsworth is pretty safe.
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Most Common Occupations - Building and grounds cleaning and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Personal care and service occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and office occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Sales and related occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Office and administrative support occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Natural resources, construction, and maintenance occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Construction and extraction occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production, transportation, and material moving occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Production occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)