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Old 04-11-2016, 08:49 AM
 
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Progressive school, okay, no problem. Teach your child in whatever manner you feel best.

I guess my real question is, do you honestly see no cognitive dissonance in pointing out how you want a "liberal community" and then moving to an area like Wilmette/north Evanston? Modern liberalism is practically defined by diversity, of which your ideal communities have little to none. Regardless of what some may say, the reason people move to the North Shore area is because they made their money and they specifically want to get away from diversity in one form or another. They tend to use the guise of "good schools" and "safe neighborhoods" in order to not look omg-racist (the most evil of all SWPL sins), but some real talk is A-ok every once in a while.

Honestly, I don't even understand why you specified wanting a "liberal community", but you did which is the only reason I commented. I don't even know what a conservative Chicagoland community would be, hence why I found it odd that the North Shore area was your area of choice.

I'll leave your thread alone now. Gl with the house hunt.

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There are plenty of practical reasons to leave the City of Chicago that have nothing to do with schools. Living arrangements can be quite challenging for families, the cost of living in safer areas is a challenge, and frankly it's just a hassle getting your kids to and from schools and activities. And then there are just the normal hassles that every resident has to deal with. I thought I loved living in the city after 20 years of "urban life", but now... I don't think I'll ever go back. I guess we'll see how I feel when the kids have left the nest.

Either way, the expectation that everyone stay put in the broken City of Chicago or else be shamed is completely ridiculous. It doesn't work for everyone. If you have kids, it rarely works for anyone.
Of course there are legitimate reasons, and I wouldn't expect people to only live in Chicago, but the only reason I commented is the OP's "liberal community" wording.

As to your other points, if cost is the issue then one wouldn't be moving to the North Shore, and when the term "safe neighborhoods" is used that's simply a derivative of saying "I want to get away from diversity". Everyone knows this and it's disingenuous to argue otherwise since this is backed by all crime stats.
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:27 PM
 
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As to your other points, if cost is the issue then one wouldn't be moving to the North Shore, ...
I think the math still works out in favor of the North Shore suburbs compared to nicer North Side neighborhoods. Especially when you look at $/sf of space.

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...and when the term "safe neighborhoods" is used that's simply a derivative of saying "I want to get away from diversity". Everyone knows this and it's disingenuous to argue otherwise since this is backed by all crime stats.
In Chicago there are legitimate safety concerns in many neighborhoods. This is pretty much undeniable. Chicago has pretty horrific crime stats these days, and the safer neighborhoods have a very steep price premium.
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Old 04-11-2016, 01:36 PM
 
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As to your other points, if cost is the issue then one wouldn't be moving to the North Shore, and when the term "safe neighborhoods" is used that's simply a derivative of saying "I want to get away from diversity". Everyone knows this and it's disingenuous to argue otherwise since this is backed by all crime stats.
Crappy neighborhoods in Chicagoland tend to be the least diverse neighborhoods. The safer, more desirable parts tend to be more diverse.
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Old 04-14-2016, 03:40 PM
 
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Lol, same story as usual. SWPL is a signalling effort, doesn't particularly matter if you're white or just 'white'.

Wilmette has basically no diversity, so yes, it is the whitest of the white, and this is the same as northern Evanston, so go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to. I just find it hilarious that you've used the word "progressive" a bunch of times throughout this thread, but you can't wait to get out of the city to move to an area that is completely secluded and 95+% white/asian. If that's not cognitive dissonance then I don't know what is.
I don't think you have any clue of what you are talking about. You have claimed in multiple posts that Northern Evanston has no diversity. Let's take a look at the elementary schools, shall we?


Dewey
White (53.9%)
Black (13.8%)
Hispanic (20.3%)
Asian (5.8%)
Two or More Races (6%)

Willard
White (59.7%)
Black (8.3%)
Hispanic (22.6%)
Asian (2.3%)
Two or More Races (6.7%)

Orrington
White (63.4%)
Black (15.4%)
Hispanic (3.4%)
Asian (9%)
Two or More Races (8.2%)

Now let's look at Wilmette, especially bordering Evanston

Romona
White (63.1%)
Black (1%)
Hispanic (6.6%)
Asian (21.9%)
Two or More Races (7.2%)

McKenzie
White (77.7%)
Black (0.8%)
Hispanic (3.7%)
Asian (8%)
Two or More Races (9.8%)

Now compare it to the other Northshore schools further up North.

Joesph Sears in Kenilworth
White (91.8%)
Black (0.4%)
Hispanic (0.4%)
Asian (3.4%)
Two or More Races (3.8%)

Crow Island in Winnetka
White (91.4%)
Black (0.3%)
Hispanic (0.8%)
Asian (2%)
Two or More Races (5.3%)

I don't know what your exalted standards are when it comes to diversity, but I think a 50/50 or a 60/40 (or even 70/30 to some extent) white/non-white split represents a fair amount of diversity to me. 90/10 - no that does not cut it for me.

In North Evanston, Dewey also has 30% low income students, Orrington has 25%, and Willard has 25%.

However, this drastically drops off in Wilmette, where Romona only has 5% and McKenzie only has 2%.
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Old 04-14-2016, 06:51 PM
 
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I don't think you have any clue of what you are talking about. You have claimed in multiple posts that Northern Evanston has no diversity. Let's take a look at the elementary schools, shall we?


Dewey
White (53.9%)
Black (13.8%)
Hispanic (20.3%)
Asian (5.8%)
Two or More Races (6%)

Willard
White (59.7%)
Black (8.3%)
Hispanic (22.6%)
Asian (2.3%)
Two or More Races (6.7%)

Orrington
White (63.4%)
Black (15.4%)
Hispanic (3.4%)
Asian (9%)
Two or More Races (8.2%)

Now let's look at Wilmette, especially bordering Evanston

Romona
White (63.1%)
Black (1%)
Hispanic (6.6%)
Asian (21.9%)
Two or More Races (7.2%)

McKenzie
White (77.7%)
Black (0.8%)
Hispanic (3.7%)
Asian (8%)
Two or More Races (9.8%)

Now compare it to the other Northshore schools further up North.

Joesph Sears in Kenilworth
White (91.8%)
Black (0.4%)
Hispanic (0.4%)
Asian (3.4%)
Two or More Races (3.8%)

Crow Island in Winnetka
White (91.4%)
Black (0.3%)
Hispanic (0.8%)
Asian (2%)
Two or More Races (5.3%)

I don't know what your exalted standards are when it comes to diversity, but I think a 50/50 or a 60/40 (or even 70/30 to some extent) white/non-white split represents a fair amount of diversity to me. 90/10 - no that does not cut it for me.

In North Evanston, Dewey also has 30% low income students, Orrington has 25%, and Willard has 25%.

However, this drastically drops off in Wilmette, where Romona only has 5% and McKenzie only has 2%.
But unless the area has changed, Orrington and Willard have populations of black and low income students that are bused in. None of those kids live in the areas zoned to the schools. Back in the time when my kids were in school at Orrington, they closed Noyes school which did have a walking distance black population in favor of keeping Orrington open and busing those kids. We fought against closing Noyes, but we did not win that fight.
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Old 04-15-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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But unless the area has changed, Orrington and Willard have populations of black and low income students that are bused in. None of those kids live in the areas zoned to the schools. Back in the time when my kids were in school at Orrington, they closed Noyes school which did have a walking distance black population in favor of keeping Orrington open and busing those kids. We fought against closing Noyes, but we did not win that fight.
Fair enough. Still, Dewey for example is not in the same boat. I was only objecting to the previous poster making an assertion that was way too broad. All said and done, North Evanston is certainly not even in the same boat as the other Northshore villages and towns further North, when it comes to diversity. Is it perfect? Far from it. Oak Park is a lot further ahead in true integration as opposed to Evanston which continues to have segregated pockets.

And the other reality is that many people want diversity but if it comes at the cost of security and safety, they will most likely choose a less diverse neighborhood that is safer - than the other way around.

This doesn't mean those people are not open minded or do not want diversity. It just means their concern for safety is a lot higher. And really, the two (diversity and safety) are actually mutually exclusive. But for whatever reason, it usually doesn't seem to be. And more than anything, this needs to change. But I might be sounding too idealistic now.
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Old 04-15-2016, 11:50 AM
 
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But unless the area has changed, Orrington and Willard have populations of black and low income students that are bused in. None of those kids live in the areas zoned to the schools. Back in the time when my kids were in school at Orrington, they closed Noyes school which did have a walking distance black population in favor of keeping Orrington open and busing those kids. We fought against closing Noyes, but we did not win that fight.
You beat me to it with this response.

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And the other reality is that many people want diversity but if it comes at the cost of security and safety, they will most likely choose a less diverse neighborhood that is safer - than the other way around.
Hahahahahahaha, whatever people need to tell themselves in order to keep feeling sanctimonious.
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Old 04-15-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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Sorry, you are the one who is full of BS in this discussion, amigo. This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking is part of what drove kept from living in Evanston any longer. Some serious folks with chips on their shoulders regarding how any sort of difference in living preference immediately amounts to someone pulling the race card out. Silly, juvenile stuff that has nothing to do with reality.

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You beat me to it with this response.
Hahahahahahaha, whatever people need to tell themselves in order to keep feeling sanctimonious.
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Old 04-15-2016, 01:30 PM
 
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Hahahahahahaha, whatever people need to tell themselves in order to keep feeling sanctimonious.
The irony here is that you are the one who came into this thread being all sanctimonious and snarky. I actually only stated facts and statistics.

And you are actually talking out of your backside. Dewey school district for example is in North Evanston and is genuinely diverse. But let's not have inconvenient facts come in the way of your snarkiness and opinions.
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Old 04-15-2016, 01:31 PM
 
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Sorry, you are the one who is full of BS in this discussion, amigo. This type of 'my way or the highway' thinking is part of what drove kept from living in Evanston any longer. Some serious folks with chips on their shoulders regarding how any sort of difference in living preference immediately amounts to someone pulling the race card out. Silly, juvenile stuff that has nothing to do with reality.
Hey amigo, coherent sentences next time as I have no idea what you are trying to argue, but I'll just assume my point went right over your head.

My point is that I'm very against the "do as I say, not as I do" mentality that is rampant with hipster liberals and SWPLs. Most love to preach about 'diversity', 'progressiveness' and 'multiculturalism', but they're always the last ones the be affected negatively by these things, if they ever are at all. Diversity is great when there are 3,489 different ethic cuisine choices all within a mile of home, but it's simply ignored when working-class job wages get undercut or when crime starts to skyrocket. Then once they get their money it's off to the gated or secluded community that is largely white (with a few Asian dentists, Indian doctors and Jewish lawyers mixed in to not be toooooooo white), and the usual excuses come in the form of "good schools" and "quiet neighborhoods".

What these morons always fail to ask themselves is "why do these areas have such good schools and quiet neighborhoods?" all while they continue to be sanctimonious. Then in regards to those more blue-collar proles who aren't able to move up and out it's either "I got mine!!! so who cares!!??" or even more LOLtastically "why can't others just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and become an engineer/doctor/lawyer/dentist/banker (insert high earning profession of your choice) like me? If they would simply work harder then maybe they wouldn't have such ignorant and backwards views!"

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The irony here is that you are the one who came into this thread being all sanctimonious and snarky. I actually only stated facts and statistics.

And you are actually talking out of your backside. Dewey school district for example is in North Evanston and is genuinely diverse. But let's not have inconvenient facts come in the way of your snarkiness and opinions.
Hahahaha, you're argument got BTFO by a separate poster with 2 of your 3 North Evanston schools having diversity bused in. Can't make this up.
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