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Old 08-24-2015, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Not sure about the rest of you but I want to live in the best neighborhood my paycheck allows me to live in. I don't give half a crap about diversity for the sake of diversity. The safety, security and happiness of my home life takes precedence over what someone who is not paying my mortgage thinks about diversity. I live in El Paso now and it's mostly Mexican where I'm at. And you know what? No one really cares.
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Old 08-24-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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ANOTHER interesting tidbit from that article:

"Some white residents, encouraged by the quality teaching and rising test scores at Matteson's integrated schools, say they plan to stay for the sake of their children. ''The world is diverse, and I think children need to grow up knowing that,'' says Reverend Pujdak as he lifts his young daughter, Kimberly, onto a jungle gym. ''Children don't know the difference - they're taught the difference.''"

If you Google the Pujdaks, you see that they ended up moving to Monee at some point.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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ANOTHER interesting tidbit from that article:

"Some white residents, encouraged by the quality teaching and rising test scores at Matteson's integrated schools, say they plan to stay for the sake of their children. ''The world is diverse, and I think children need to grow up knowing that,'' says Reverend Pujdak as he lifts his young daughter, Kimberly, onto a jungle gym. ''Children don't know the difference - they're taught the difference.''"

If you Google the Pujdaks, you see that they ended up moving to Monee at some point.
It's very hard to fight the trend. Even if you personally are comfortable with a mixed race neighborhood, the overwhelming historical trend in Chicagoland is that a mixed neighborhood rapidly becomes minority-only with catastrophic results for property values. Most people aren't able to weather a 50+% reduction in home equity. How many towns/neighborhoods have been able to avoid white flight over the long-term once the (non-Asian) minority population creeps above 20%?
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:42 PM
 
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It's very hard to fight the trend. Even if you personally are comfortable with a mixed race neighborhood, the overwhelming historical trend in Chicagoland is that a mixed neighborhood rapidly becomes minority-only with catastrophic results for property values. Most people aren't able to weather a 50+% reduction in home equity. How many towns/neighborhoods have been able to avoid white flight over the long-term once the (non-Asian) minority population creeps above 20%?
I think there will soon be many suburbs with 20+% Hispanic or Latino populations. Maybe most suburbs.
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Old 08-24-2015, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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It's very hard to fight the trend. Even if you personally are comfortable with a mixed race neighborhood, the overwhelming historical trend in Chicagoland is that a mixed neighborhood rapidly becomes minority-only with catastrophic results for property values. Most people aren't able to weather a 50+% reduction in home equity. How many towns/neighborhoods have been able to avoid white flight over the long-term once the (non-Asian) minority population creeps above 20%?
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Oak Park, IL
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I think there will soon be many suburbs with 20+% Hispanic or Latino populations. Maybe most suburbs.
I think the data shows that whites are more willing to tolerate a rising Hispanic population in contrast to a comparable African-American population. Anyway, we'll see if these towns resist white flight long-term. Oak Park has defied the trend for several decades, and people still talk about worrisome demographic trends on the horizon.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:28 PM
 
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It's very hard to fight the trend. Even if you personally are comfortable with a mixed race neighborhood, the overwhelming historical trend in Chicagoland is that a mixed neighborhood rapidly becomes minority-only with catastrophic results for property values. Most people aren't able to weather a 50+% reduction in home equity. How many towns/neighborhoods have been able to avoid white flight over the long-term once the (non-Asian) minority population creeps above 20%?
There is truth to that. Hopefully things are changing and will continue to change in the future as old attitudes and the people that hold them fade away.

The Chicago area has so much going for it with Flossmoor truly being a "jewel" suburb. I now live in suburban Atlanta in a diverse area quite similar to Flossmoor (where we moved from), and marvel at how people think Atlanta is segregated. Compared to Chicago? Ha!

When I run into one of the grocery chains in what may be described as a lower socioeconomic area, I see everyone. Poor blacks, whites, latinos, asians. I would not see that on 87th street and the Ryan.

Flossmoor has to really do something about the schools. Western Ave's numbers looked good still, but the others not so much. And again as I and several others have mentioned, it's the outrageous taxes and the schools. Where I am now 300k-400k will get you a sweet, sweet house with amenities, taxes at maybe 4K, could be less. In Flossmoor the taxes can easily be triple depending on where you are for the same cost house.

However, there is such a vast difference in the quality of life in living in a walkable suburb versus car driven that I could almost weep. I can't begin to say how much I loved living in Flossmoor. I hope property values continue to rise, the schools improve, and Illinois gets its act together financially.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:43 PM
 
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I think the data shows that whites are more willing to tolerate a rising Hispanic population in contrast to a comparable African-American population. Anyway, we'll see if these towns resist white flight long-term. Oak Park has defied the trend for several decades, and people still talk about worrisome demographic trends on the horizon.
Yes and no with Oak Park. Officially, it's quite diverse. However, the north and west side is overwhelmingly white. Black residents are heavily concentrated in the south part of the village, and along the eastern edge.
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Old 08-24-2015, 03:59 PM
 
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Yes and no with Oak Park. Officially, it's quite diverse. However, the north and west side is overwhelmingly white. Black residents are heavily concentrated in the south part of the village, and along the eastern edge.
Not so for the south part of the village. In fact much of the area south of the Ike and on the west side of town has under 3% African American population. You can actually view concentrations of various races on a handy site called City-Data.com using their mapping tool, and southern Oak Park does not have a very high percentage of African American residents at all.
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Old 08-24-2015, 04:11 PM
 
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ANOTHER interesting tidbit from that article:

"Some white residents, encouraged by the quality teaching and rising test scores at Matteson's integrated schools, say they plan to stay for the sake of their children. ''The world is diverse, and I think children need to grow up knowing that,'' says Reverend Pujdak as he lifts his young daughter, Kimberly, onto a jungle gym. ''Children don't know the difference - they're taught the difference.''"

If you Google the Pujdaks, you see that they ended up moving to Monee at some point.
I did the same thing. I had read a few articles about Matteson a while ago and out of curiosity, I looked up some of the families on white pages...the families that stated they would stay moved out to Monee (like you stated), Manteno, Peotone, Frankfort, Mokena, Orland, Beecher, and one I saw to Dyer. Am I surprised? Not at all.
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