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Old 01-17-2015, 11:38 AM
 
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Yeah I don't think it's a far south suburb. But sadly there were many reasons it went from middle class to ghetto and it has to do with the people who moved out versus moved in. Most of my neighbors were decent even when I moved out because I lived in a better area but still way too much trash and teen moms and baby daddies became common. I remember going to Jewel and being the only one in line not paying with food stamps.
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Old 01-17-2015, 02:19 PM
 
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Yeah I don't think it's a far south suburb. But sadly there were many reasons it went from middle class to ghetto and it has to do with the people who moved out versus moved in. Most of my neighbors were decent even when I moved out because I lived in a better area but still way too much trash and teen moms and baby daddies became common. I remember going to Jewel and being the only one in line not paying with food stamps.

In the the 1970's hazel crest was socioeconomically comparable to suburbs like matteson, des plaines, oak lawn, wheeling, palos hills, hillside, addison. In this group of comparable 1970's suburbs. Matteson and Des Plaines are the two outperforming outliers. Matteson with a current median household income of $70,000 and Des Plaines with a median household income $64,347. While the rest of the suburbs listed with the exception of hazel crest. Currently have median household incomes somewhere in the $50,000's . Hazel Crest has held up substantially worse with a current median household income of $49,489 .
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Old 01-17-2015, 05:13 PM
 
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Default Interesting way of looking at things...

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In the the 1970's hazel crest was socioeconomically comparable to suburbs like matteson, des plaines, oak lawn, wheeling, palos hills, hillside, addison. In this group of comparable 1970's suburbs. Matteson and Des Plaines are the two outperforming outliers. Matteson with a current median household income of $70,000 and Des Plaines with a median household income $64,347. While the rest of the suburbs listed with the exception of hazel crest. Currently have median household incomes somewhere in the $50,000's . Hazel Crest has held up substantially worse with a current median household income of $49,489 .
There is probably a lot of truth to this. There used to be more suburbs that while not "upscale" were also far from being "depressed". As employment and commuting trends have shifted in Illinois the seesaw has sadly seen fewer town end up on the postive side of the scale.

The difficultly of turning things around in some towns is compounded by things like an abundance of not very attractive nor well built homes. In areas that at least have something that could be considered worth trying to fix up maybe the loss of jobs and such is not such a big negative but towns without even that as a positive really face some bleak prospects...
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Old 07-21-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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Flossmoor is an amazing place to live in. Whenever we travel have friends visit, they and we are astonished by the quality of life and environment/community to raise children in. I am sad some many people in this blog can't see what is really important in life- friends, people that care about your children, and town that is not a monoculture of the rich. We are raising 4 children here and have had great experiences with the schools. Parker is a challenge, but my children learned to survive and thrive. Life is not just about test scores and perfectly groomed schools environments.

Get a life!!
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:43 AM
 
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Folks that pay a substantial part of their income to local governmental units such as schools through property taxes deserve accountability. Sadly the greater S/SW suburbs are seeing more and more problems in funding, largely because of the dearth of commercial / industrial development, and that has already resulted in a spiral of tax increases that is hurting the value of housing...
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Old 07-22-2015, 02:27 PM
 
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Ok, I'm really confused by people calling Hazel Crest a "far" south suburb. Here's a list of the suburban stops on the Metra Electric line. I've put them in the order of closest to the city and furthest from it.

1) Riverdale
2) Ivanehoe
3) 147th / Sibley Boulevard
4) Harvey
5) Hazel Crest
6) Calumet
7) Homewood
8) Flossmoo4
9) Olympia Fields
10) 211th Street / Lincoln Highway
11) Matteson
12) Richton Park
13) University Park

On a Metra ride down to University Park, you might as well kick back and rest your eyes a little bit when you hear on the PA, "The next stop will be Hazel Crest". Because you still have a ways to go..
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Old 07-22-2015, 09:26 PM
 
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Flossmoor is an amazing place to live in. Whenever we travel have friends visit, they and we are astonished by the quality of life and environment/community to raise children in. I am sad some many people in this blog can't see what is really important in life- friends, people that care about your children, and town that is not a monoculture of the rich. We are raising 4 children here and have had great experiences with the schools. Parker is a challenge, but my children learned to survive and thrive. Life is not just about test scores and perfectly groomed schools environments.

Get a life!!
The reality is, flossmoor has a completely busted out real estate market. Selling a home in flossmoor is still a real challange. And there has only been a modest improvement in the local real estate market from the lowest point. You have a high area property tax burden and an extremely high rate of homeowners still underwater. Meaning new foreclosures continue to be a serious issue and are probably the new normal for flossmoor's market. I wouldn't say that blight is a serious issue as of yet. But if you look in most neighborhoods of flossmoor. You will see no shortage of properties that are in varying states of disrepair. Some are bank owned foreclosures and some are still owned by homeowners who may be in the early stages of foreclosure.

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Old 08-12-2015, 12:04 PM
 
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Default all is not well in frankfort

Kadner: L-Way District 210's financial decline shocking - Daily Southtown




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well this thread has been bumped up, and its pretty amazing how much has changed since 8/2014, when it comes to the southwest suburbs/ the southland i will again say frankfort is a flagship area, more so IMO then flossmoor. I summarized how well the village is doing in another thread, ill repost it here.

as far as your question "where to go" i think Frankfort is a very viable option. Our schools i feel are pretty under represented as a high standard school system on these boards. the high school district 210 comprises of several high schools, lincoln way north, central, and east. The high school for Frankfort is lincoln way EAST. it is a solid school, and continues to improve, showing no signs of decline or problems.

since 2001 lincoln-way test scores have improved more then any other high school district in the state of ILLINOIS (quoting Dr. R. Scott Tingley, District 210 superintendent), most recently 28 students as of this october were named as national merit scholars, including five national merit semifinalists, and several who scored a perfect 36 on the ACT this year. Our average ACT scores are identical to Lyons township. Slew of AP courses, and good AP enrollment.
academically very strong, strongest high school arguably in the southwest, comparable to some western burbs, and also a US news and world report silver medalist., only ranked school in all of will county and southwest.

athletically lincolnway east is top tier. #9th ranked HS football program in the state, state champs several times i believe most recently 2005
Lincoln-way east cheerleaders won the school first state championship 2/14
East girls track and field won second straight class 3a state champs 5/14
East boys volleyball team won state champs 6/14, and a host of other conference, regional, and sectional championships, if you care or are in athletics, its one of ILLINOIS' best.

Frankfort financially is very healthy. 2014 Frankfort made the last payment on bonds that were used to acquire prestwick utilities in the past, Frankfort is now bond and debt free. Residents whose property values remain the same or who's property values decrease, and readjusted per current market value will continue to see reductions in village portion of property tax bill, my tax bill is going down $5,000 this coming year. Frankforts excellent financial condition also indicated by the village being able to transfer 5% of its revenues to the capital fund, yearly.

Real estate value is on the uptick, and CLOSED sales of homes in the 950-1 million dollar range have gone way up, as have homes int he 500-750 k range. stalled subdivisions from the recession are now back underway FULL SWING to be completed and there are literally 30+ homes under construction from my count. My first home that i purchased in 2009, i sold at a 50,000 profit in 2013. after i bought that house the property tax was dropped by $4,000 once i submitted the HUD statement to the village.

frankfort DOES NOT have tract home builders or big corporations like you saw in PLAINFIELD, only private small, and custom home builders are allowed to build. Come drive around and you will see an amazing paucity of track homes, id say 75%+ semi custom and custom builds.

The park district is phenomenal. The frankfort park district was awarded by the National recreation and park association as a gold medal finalist for providing exceptional and innovative service, only 4 districts serving communities with populations less then 30,000 were chosen .

Downtown frankfort is a feature you won't find anywhere in the southwest. Its a small but true downtown, with streets lined with shops, cafe's, music stores, antiques, taverns, restaurants, etc., stage for music, plethora of festivals, new buildings are being constructed to add to it demonstrating vacancies are few and open spaces rent very quickly.

METRA access via mokena is available

access to i-80, 294, 355, i-57 within minutes from most parts of frankfort

its definitely worthwhile to explore and you have way more dining and shopping options. both within frankfort and your less then 10 miles away from orland square mall and all its mega retail.

chets comment about foreclosures and everyone being underwater here is pretty inaccurate. There was a firesale of foreclosures here, i know i took advantage of it in 2009, but that has DRASTICALLY evaporated. There was a shortage on housing stock, at one point when things started picking up and houses were getting multiple bids, thats when the builders took note and they are out and about full force, building to suit, not very much spec. There are about 1/2 dozen well known builders here who do probably about 80% of new home construction. They are all very reputable, i know 2 directly and a few more indirectly through neighbors and friends.

a lot of new businesses have been popping up in town, mariano's, jersey mike subs, noodles and company, urgent cares, BUONA BEEF is coming after a new 30,000 square foot retail area that has been approved is to be built, and many more.

for your purposes i would look at the western part of frankfort ( i live in north frankfort near Mariano's), around wolf road and LARAWAY, there you will find subdivisions like cobblestone walk of frankfort, and Olde stone mille, etc, very very nice.

some of the other well known subdivisions that are very noteworthy are butternut creek woods (epic), Abbey woods, lighthouse pointe, prestwick, and on the far eastern part of town there is timbers edge, frankfort meadows etc.

its not in decline. its not foreclosure heavy, the schools don't suck, its not a "south suburb" to me its very comparable to many western suburbs.
taxes are high, but as you heard chet bellyaching thats a pan ILLINOIS problem. not a certain suburb problem.

also there are very very very few low income students here, and the household incomes in frankfort are among the highest, surpassing six digits, lots of professionals in town.

its only getting better.
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Old 08-12-2015, 12:28 PM
 
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Why not let the boundaries be changed to allow students from Matteson, Country Club Hills, and Richton Park attend since enrollment numbers are down?
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Old 08-14-2015, 05:19 AM
 
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Why not let the boundaries be changed to allow students from Matteson, Country Club Hills, and Richton Park attend since enrollment numbers are down?
I know you put :roll eyes: lol but you know that would not go over well at all. White Flight would definitely increase...then you will start hearing "We moved to Wilmington/Braidwood 'for the schools'"
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