01-18-2014, 05:30 AM
Location: South Loop
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What suburb/ area is emerging as the place to move to for younger families leaving the city but with access to the loop?
Oak park seems to be losing appeal because schools dropping
Park ridge because of plans noise and school drooping
Elmhursr because of flooding
Thoughts? Glenview? Clarendon hills? I'm looking for a burn with biggest arrow pointing up.
01-18-2014, 07:21 AM
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I deal with Palos hills, I haven't really dealt with any more far as Illinois. Long live any city that has more high places than a poor city. It shouldn't be any in outresence either I think it's time for a change through the government and high places of the country that we govern by law.
01-18-2014, 07:42 AM
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Each place has its upsides and downsides. You hear Oak Park, Evanston. Some people say Park Ridge. Others say Forest Park, Berwyn. I don't know if I would call these trendy. It seems that people that wish they could stay in the city or be near it are interested in these places. Forest Park and Berwyn are the budget versions and may have school issues. There are many nice suburbs but don't know if they are trendy. Places on the north shore and western suburbs are great but can be expensive.
01-18-2014, 11:35 AM
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Berwyn is probably trendy. Oak Park isn't trendy, more upscale liberal, like Connecticut or Vermont. Evanston same but with a university and the lake, bringing in some north shore vibe. Park Ridge? Really?
01-19-2014, 06:51 AM
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The OP is badly mistaken if they believe there are any sudden new changes in the towns they listed -- Oak Park has long struggled with the disparity of outcome that faces the distinct subgroups of students in its district; their is no new downtrend. Similarly the efforts of park Ridge to fight O'Hare expansion and seek ways to soundproof buildings at the expense of Chicago & Federal authorities has been active for more than twenty years. So too has the tiny portion of Elmhurst that garner news coverage during extreme weather events long been the recipient of extreme efforts to keep basements dry. Each of these towns remain desirable becuase of their mostly excellent locations, the quality of schools and other amenities.
I personally have seem Clarendon Hills shift from a low priced alternative to Hinsdale to a nearly equally costly town. I have also seen foolish developers massively overpay for teardowns outside the desirable the D181/D86 attendance area and been burned by the lack of interest.
Similarly Glenview did see a major uptick in both commerical and residential developement following the conversion of the Naval Air Station but developers that stretched prices well beyond the sane levels of a town that has neither the direct access to Lake Miichigan nor uniform school attendance boundaries that funnel only some kinds to the most desirable North Shore district(s) have not seen the kind of return on their efforts as wiser developers that target folks looking for those things...
In a general sense the trends that push values higher remain pretty basic in our region -- too notch schools are far more valuable to home buyers than even very good schools a peg down, excellent rail service and quick access to employment are highly prized and more mature areas with a proven track record of value are far and away a safer bet than any of the all "new" developments.
Finally there are ALWAYS limits to what sorts of valuations are sustainable -- decades ago the appeal of places that had a lot more high paying jobs were still a huge factor. Shifts in both employment and the inability of some towns to really support the kinds of housing that is attractive to affluent shoppers has really hurt some towns -- Lincolnwood, Skokie, Morton Grove in the near north, Oak Lawn, Homewood Flossmoor, and Olympia Fields to the south, spots like Westchester and North Riverside in West Cook Co, and a range of other towns have signficantly underperformed other areas.
I would worry less about trying to find an area with a trajector "straight up" than I would about spending a sensible amount of money around others that have invested even more in a desirable community...
01-19-2014, 07:28 AM
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La Grange...
01-19-2014, 08:56 PM
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Oak Park. More up and coming would be Forest Park or Berwyn. I'm sure there are more but those are only ones I can speak to personally.
01-20-2014, 10:03 PM
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Considering that families have been snatching up homes in Oak Park, and inventory is low... saying that the town is "losing appeal" is not an accurate assessment of the village. I've met many families that have moved to Oak Park recently, and the 3 top things on their lists of wants were diversity, good schools and proximity to the city. The schools offer a top quality education for those with involved families and work hard, and the majority of students achieve the same standards as compared to the highest performing schools. The commonly referred to achievement gap between the majority and minority students would happen at any of the top performing schools if they had the same demographics, but they don't because the vast majority of students in those schools are more privileged in multiple ways. The the assumptions regarding minority students and Oak Park schools in correlation to achievement also fail to take into account that there are low income families, with single parents, that have moved to Oak Park from other areas like Austin or K-town, where their kids have gone through a number of years at poor institutions in highly dysfunctional contexts... It's very difficult to catch up from a certain point, coming from such an under privileged start, compared to some kid in an affluent area, with 2 parents, that have all the resources available to them. It's like putting 2 people in a 100 meter dash, except 1 person gets to start at the 50 meter mark, and the other starts that the beginning with weights tied around his ankles... Even with the best training, the first person already has a significant head start.
I don't know of any suburb that could be considered "trendy", but then that definition is somewhat subjective. Young families wanting easy, varied and quick access to the loop typically go for some of the inner ring suburbs that offer a variety of modes of transportation options, that also meets a list of their needs and wants.
Desirability is another subjective thing. I know people that love living in places like Evanston and Oak Park that wouldn't be able to stand living in a places like Clarendon Hills or Glenview... and I'm sure the same could be said for the other way around, and then I'm sure there are people in the middle too.
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01-21-2014, 08:18 AM
Location: Oak Park, IL
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Trendy doesn't mean desirable, unless you strive to be trendy. I think the poster asks two different questions.
01-21-2014, 09:00 AM
Location: Not where you ever lived
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Oak Park has a public school system; high school is shared with Forest Park.
Oak Park is not a waspy town. It is a family town with a walkable downtown that has won several awards as has its library system. It has several parks and a dog park, too. It has , an excellent transit system into the city. Trade Joe's and Whole Foods are in OP or very nearby. OP is very diverse in politics, income, culture and religion, and its a bit quirky with its Church of Beethoven. You'll find a hospital, motels, restaurants, Family Y, and enough shopping to meet your basic needs. Regardless of what you read on these threads few established residents are fleeing Oak Park.
Housing stock ranges from $10M homes to apartments. You are just as likely to meet a millionaire or doctor as you are to meet a bank teller or visitor. If you like OP you can find your niche.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)