04-28-2016, 09:33 AM
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Hi!
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04-28-2016, 10:17 AM
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Firstly, if you want a French immersion program you want find any. Even in school districts that teach French in elementary schools the demands of idiotic state mandates that range from the horrible PARCC test to ensuring Gym Teachers are fully employed mean there is not enough time to build any kind of fluency. Your " je nes sais quoi" will run into the brickwall of Illinois overall bureaucracy...
Secondly your budget will not go far in any of the towns in the region that have any kind of desirable public schools. There have been a few threads with folks of similar budgets looking for even starter homes and there are slim pickins', though lately more folks have been focused on towns with good rail commute to the Loop so it is possible that towns that lack such convenience (notably Batavia and St. Charles, as within a half hour or so of Naperville workplaces...) MAY be worth exploring.
I have some experience with private schools and really, even at MOST schools that preach their "child centric" approach you are not likely to find anything too "hippy chic" as the majority of parents that have the 'bread' to pay for private education (and not live in a yurt becuase they got evicted for not also paying their highest in the nation property taxes...) sorta want their kids to have a shot at doing something other than sell tie-dyed shirts from the back of Partridge Family-style schoolbus/RV...
I kid, I kid!
But seriously, in all honestly I have friends who are rather happy with places that often go unnoticied. There are some pretty good deals in Winfield, which is very small community. Even if you were to find a home in the portion of town served by West Chicago High School D94, which is not generally as well regarded as those in Wheaton, there is still a very nice focus on arts and such. In fact, though the school has a much higher percentage of minority students than those in Wheaton, West Chicago HS has an impressive record of getting kid from all backgrounds involved in things like literary festivals and arts --
http://www.d94.org/site/default.aspx...=3677&PageID=1
http://www.d94.org/site/default.aspx...=3660&PageID=1
You can get a very attractively priced home that is an easy commute to most work locations in Naperville in the part of Winfield served by D94 --
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Winfield/2.../home/18150040 or
https://www.redfin.com/IL/Winfield/2.../home/18149616
Please note: I would not recommend this strategy for most folks relocating to the area. I anticipate the pressure on Illinois school funding to impact schools like D94 more severely than those in more affluent areas. I making this recommendation based ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY on the current budget ceiling...
04-28-2016, 10:33 AM
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Check out The Children's School in Berwyn. It's a progressive private that tries to keep tuition down and offers sibling discounts and financial aid. The only problem is that it's K-8, so you'll want to make sure you move to an area with a good public high school option or be prepared to cough up for a private high school (a lot of Children's School graduates go to Oak Park River Forest High School or Fenwick).
04-28-2016, 10:40 AM
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The commute between Naperville and Berwyn would be hard to justify. Fenwick's (a Catholic High School in Oak Park) tuition is over $14k per child.
http://www.fenwickfriars.com/Page/103
Homes in the Oak Park - River Forest HS attendance area are likely outside the OP's budget unless quite small /poor condition ...
04-28-2016, 10:42 AM
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You don't have to live in Berwyn to attend the school. Of course, it might make drop off / pick up a pain depending on which town she picks, but it's unclear to me whether OP will be working and how she feels about a school commute generally.
04-28-2016, 10:43 AM
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Tough budget. Taxes in the D94 portion of Winfield can only be described as OPPRESSIVE. And the current trajectory makes it so the area is really hard to recommend on any budget. The two listings chet provided carry annual bills of $7600 and $9200 respectively -- that's 2.54% and 2.78% of the asking prices! If your expectations are realistic, there are a few nice options in CUSD 200 (Wheaton) with MUCH lower tax bills and MUCH better schools, amenities, etc -- but listings go fast:
0N074 Nepil Avenue WHEATON, IL 60187 | Redfin (tax bill $4700, 1.44% of ask)
Wheaton has a reputable gifted program (
Gifted Education / Program Overview / CUSD 200 ) but the je nes sais quoi probably won't be found in any Chicagoland setting outside of Montessori et al. If you're eventually able to afford Montessori, Wheaton is home to the only AMI (Association Montessori Internationale) certified school in the western suburbs. It's just one mile northeast of the listing above:
Welcome - Wheaton Montessori School
The listing is also near the
Illinois Prairie Path (IPP) ,
Cosley Zoo , and the
Lincoln Marsh Natural Area . The latter two provide lots of affordable ways for kids to have immersive nature experiences:
Individuals & Families – Lincoln Marsh Natural Area
Programs | Cosley Zoo
And the former provides a streetless, natural route into Wheaton's vibrant core:
DOWNTOWN WHEATON DIRECTORY
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04-28-2016, 10:51 AM
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Chet, you keep editing your post so it's hard to respond. OP doesn't have to send her kids OPRF or Fenwick, I was just pointing out that many families do - Brookfield might work for her. Yes the commute to Naperville isn't ideal but it's something to consider if she wants out of the public school regime.
04-28-2016, 11:30 AM
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Wow, that was fast! Thanks for the responses. I want to be IN a house by the end of summer so I'm feeling some pressure to look and decide quickly.
I know the budget sucks-- In our little corner of the Southwest, a six figure salary equals pretty decent living. Of course, we have meager amenities so I am expecting to be blown away by what Chicago has to offer. Serious question-- are the salaries just much higher because of the cost of living, or do people scrape by? I don't want to get stuck being house poor, but I know finding the right neighborhood matters. I'm hoping to find a fixer upper or foreclosure that I can work on. HGTV told me this is easy to do
Batavia was on my radar, but I wasn't able to find much beyond the test results for the schools or get much a feel for the population. I will look into the homes in the other areas you have mentioned as well. They seem very promising!
04-28-2016, 11:47 AM
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It is really hard to say if anything will "blow you away" and I would go so far as to say that unless you have a really awful situation and/or turning down the relocation will kill your future career prospects it might make sense to take a pass...
04-28-2016, 12:25 PM
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I appreciate the sentiment, Chet, our situation is kind of a mix of what you described. We live in a cultural and literal desert and this move will be a step up in all ways. I grew up in Northern Virginia and know about metro area housing markets. There everyone was furiously paddling to stay afloat and I don't want that for my family. I asked about salaries out of curiosity, but I do understand the reality of the situation. We can live comfortably within a 325000 budget (give or take depending on the tax situation, which does look atrocious) without having to give up any of the vacations, museums, college savings, etc.... I'm more than happy to live in an older smaller home further out of the mainstream to make that work. Test scores mean less to me than the other stuff I mentioned, so hopefully I can get a good deal in one of the less traditionally desirable spots.
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People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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