Evanston- I am getting a negative vibe- why? (Chicago, Naperville: low crime, mortgage)

[showmecards]

I've lived in Evanston off and on (mostly on) for 15 years, both single and married with kids. Coming from another midwestern city, originally, I have found that you just can't compare or understand it until you live here. There was no real correlate where I was from (St. Louis). For someone single: I recommend Evanston if you want to reach out and touch the lake, have easy access to the trains, are progressive and want a suburb with some of the same amount of stimulation that Chicago has, if you are health conscious and want easy access to organics and progressive health care practitioners. Just be aware that developers moved in a short while ago and are trying to build up the city and have already changed the skyline here. Traffic and parking are becoming more difficult. In terms of sticking around a eventually raising a family, in my opinion the schools are one reason to consider moving. I am sorry to say that the current elementary superintendent is more focuses on underachieving students and meeting the mandates of No Child Left Behind, and teachers are no longer free to decide how they will implement the curriculum. There is a lot of disappointment by some families who move here assuming the schools will be very good. Some have good experiences; some like our family do not. However, Evanston on the whole is a great and unique place to consider!

[showmecards]

The commute to Elk Grove will be long, but maybe not the worst. In addition to going
I-94 to I-90, you can take Oakton local almost all the way west.

[Costa Rica Chica]

Walk around the Dempster Street Lagoon on the 4th of July - you will see a huge diversity of people, all smiling and having fun and happy to be there. Evanston is very family-friendly, and while there are "sketchy" areas, you can avoid them easily. Evanston offers an urban feeling in a suburb. I think it's a great place to live and look forward to moving back, (in 4 weeks,) after 10 years living abroad.

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Anthera

Not true. Students' income data would be connected to their permanent addresses, not a temporary address. Most of the graduate programs are at the downtown campus, so that data wouldn't be there either.

Chet's right on this one.

As someone with a lot of experience working with Census data, I can tell you that you are completely wrong about this. The census DOES count students at their school address, and it DOES ask about their income levels if they are in the Public Use Microdata Set. In fact, when I was a graduate student I personally filled out a PUMS survey about my income level.

To assume that Evanston is somehow deficient because of the median income listed (which includes students, appartment dwellers, and the "bad" side of town) is completely spurious. All it takes is one short drive around Evanston to see that it is a VERY nice area.

[Anthera]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

As someone with a lot of experience working with Census data, I can tell you that you are completely wrong about this. The census DOES count students at their school address, and it DOES ask about their income levels if they are in the Public Use Microdata Set. In fact, when I was a graduate student I personally filled out a PUMS survey about my income level.

To assume that Evanston is somehow deficient because of the median income listed (which includes students, appartment dwellers, and the "bad" side of town) is completely spurious. All it takes is one short drive around Evanston to see that it is a VERY nice area.

Are all students in the PUMS?

And just WHERE did "I" say that Evanston was deficient? My arguement, was that I did not believe that there were large numbers of "uber-wealthy" in Evanston, and that I disbelieved that there were large numbers of students buying condos. I never said Evanston wasn't nice. I lived in Evanston.

[chet everett]

people:

The Dept. of Commerce clearly states how the DECENNIAL census taken for purposes of political representation differs from the various surveys of household income.

page 44: http://www.bls.census.gov/sipp/usrguide/sipp2001.pdf (broken link)
page 47: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/tp63rv.pdf

[Anthera]

Originally Posted by chet everett

people:

The Dept. of Commerce clearly states how the DECENNIAL census taken for purposes of political representation differs from the various surveys of household income.

page 44: http://www.bls.census.gov/sipp/usrguide/sipp2001.pdf (broken link)
page 47: http://www.census.gov/prod/2002pubs/tp63rv.pdf

Thank you Chet. I knew I was right!

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by Anthera

Thank you Chet. I knew I was right!

No, you weren't. From page 44 of the first link:


[LEFT]If the hypothetical college student originally lived in New York and, upon graduation, moved to Los Angeles to live on his or her own, the student would be considered to have moved as of the graduation date. The student.s new address in Los Angeles would become his or her new household, and, if thestudent was an original sample member, he or she would be treated in the same way as any[/LEFT]
other original sample member who moved to the new address.

This described me and pretty much everyone else I knew throughout my entire college and grad school experience. Students are counted, unless they move home every summer.

[Anthera]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

No, you weren't. From page 44 of the first link:


[LEFT]If the hypothetical college student originally lived in New York and, upon graduation, moved to Los Angeles to live on his or her own, the student would be considered to have moved as of the graduation date. The student.s new address in Los Angeles would become his or her new household, and, if thestudent was an original sample member, he or she would be treated in the same way as any[/LEFT]
other original sample member who moved to the new address.

This described me and pretty much everyone else I knew throughout my entire college and grad school experience. Students are counted, unless they move home every summer.

The vast vast majority of students move home in the summer. You obviously did not go to NU. Very few NU students stay all year in Evanston.

What is it about "graduation" you don't understand. It refers to when they graduate from college. At that point, if they move they are not a member of the original household. It seems very clear.

[Anthera]

The preceeding sentence you deleted:

"A college student living on campus, with a room held at home is still a household member at the sample address."

Nu's website shows that the majority of the undergraduates live on campus, therefore, they are counted with their families.



Chet - how did you interpret this data?



Lookout Kid - Still wondering where in this thread "I" denigrated Evanston?