03-16-2009, 10:48 AM
Location: Illinois
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I am currently house hunting in the Western suburbs and have found that there seem be a lot of 2 bedroom single story brick homes in our price range.
Whilst we currently don't have kids and a 2 bedroom house would be sufficient for our current needs, I'd prefer to not have to relocate in say 5 years time.
I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as to whether the idea of building a 2nd story addition in the Western suburbs (specifically La Grange Park, North of Ogden and West of La Grange Road) would be a viable option.
I guess my concerns are whether the local zoning regulations would even allow it, if the foundation of a 1000sq.ft brick house built in the 1950s could support a complete 2nd floor, and if I spent another 100k or more on it would I be spending too much on the house for the area and would I be better off just moving.
I guess I can only really get personal speculations, but they would be much more informed than mine.
03-16-2009, 12:32 PM
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There was a house in the 600 block of n cathrine in that area of la grange park that just had a similar project done to it in the last year (it was on the west side of the street, I think it was the 3rd house north of oak/catherine intersection), so I'd guess generally speaking its doable. The question of is it worth it without being able to do the architecture/general contracting yourself is a totally different question though.
03-17-2009, 09:13 AM
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Do your due diligence before you purchase the home. Have one of the more established builder/remodelers in the area come out and give you a free estimate on what that type of addition would cost. Add that to the price of the home and look around to see what you could get if you spent that now. Ask the current homeowner if they have an old survey - then examine the building codes and make sure the home's lot boundaries and current footprint don't restrict you (I had a project in Downers where the roof peak was restricted because of the distance of the original home to the lot line). The building inspector we use when evaluating a project home is also both an architect and structural engineer so while we pay more, he has saved us from one structurally unsound home and another that would not support an addition. Realize that living in a construction zone is hell and that it always takes longer than originally estimated and costs more, especially when dealing with an old structure. That area of LaGrange Park is great because of its distance to downtown LaGrange and the train stops but obviously you need to watch the budget because it's not LaGrange proper. Good Luck !!
03-18-2009, 10:57 AM
Location: Brookfield, Illinois
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I live just across 31st St from LaGrange Park, in Brookfield, and two houses on our street added second stories in the last year. Both additions went up very quickly and look very nice.
03-18-2009, 08:42 PM
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I have lived through putting a second story on our house. If you can avoid doing such an extensive remodel, do it. Move to a larger house. First of all, I have heard that the building codes in LaGrange can be quite strict. So you will be fighting battles dealing with that nitpicking. Also, a second story addition is a big deal, so you will likely have to move out of the house while it is going on. (we did) Also, dealing with contractors and tradesmen can be a seriously stressful thing to do. Ours disappeared for 3 weeks (no returning phone calls, etc) after we gave a big check for a partial completeion for thousands of dollars. We had to threaten a lawyer to get him back to work in a timely manner. We suspect he was doing the take from peter to pay paul thing...
Also, the town will want you to submit architectural plans before you begin. So you are going to lay out a substantial chunk for that first off and if they nitpick it, your architecture changes are going to cost also. Also, no contractors will give you a quote without seeing plans. You will save substantial amounts of money if you do not have any plumbing done. But that is unlikely because most people will want a bathroom upstairs as it will add to property values. I would do a second story ONLY if you absolutely cannot move or cannot find a second story property you like. We did it because we have waterfront property and we could not expand the footprint of the home.
We did ours 7 years ago during the real estate boom and we had a difficult time getting a contractor to do a second story addition. Everyone wanted to do new construction only, or decks or replacement windows because they were easier. I am guessing contractors now will be hungrier and you will not have the problems we had finding someone to do it.
Just some things to consider from one who has been there done that. You may consider asking the second story additions you see about their experiences in their specific town as that may make all the difference - also if they have references on which contractors they used. Good luck!
03-20-2009, 07:22 AM
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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I don't know anything about doing this in your location, but I watched my parents add a 2nd story to their house in Florida. It has been a big trend in their neighborhood as they live on the water where all the houses were built in the 50's & 60's and there is no land left on the water. I can assure you it is NOT easier than just moving. For one thing you can't live in the house during so you will have to move out and back in and find somewhere to live for the duration. It was very stressful for my parents and nearly 10 years later I think if you ask them now would they do it again I think they would both say no. They have a beautiful house now, but there were a lot of issues and it was a very stressful process.
I was an adult and on my own when they did this but I had lived in the house as a teenager and of course came home to it all through college. I worked nights during this time, and a couple of times a week I'd stop by in the morning after work to check on the progress. One morning I showed up after they had removed the roof. I can tell you it was a weird feeling to walk into the house, stand in my former bedroom and look up at the sky. Really weird.
03-23-2009, 12:04 PM
Location: Illinois
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Thanks for all the advice everyone. After all that research, we found another house in the same area that was already a 2 story and had everything we needed. Our home offer was accepted last week and have the home inspection in the next few days. We're very excited and glad we found this one, it has saved us a lot of money than if we had gone ahead with the one that needed the addition. Now lets home the inspection all goes well....
Thanks again!
03-23-2009, 07:44 PM
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I am glad you found a situation that sounds like it is going to work out for you.
That said I have personally sold several home in the very area that you looked at with either existing additions or to buyers that added on. If you know what you are getting into, and have solid handle on costs, that can really pay off handsomely. The smaller homes in LGP were generally built in early 50's to pretty high standards, they have right mix of modern enough not to be a money bit, but old enough to have some charm. Yes, it often does mean having some primative condition if you decide to live in while the new space in built. Tales of doing the dishes in the bath tub are common, as are a need to batten down the tarps during a thunderstorm.
I do not think LGP is any tougher than other towns, and one can a should SHOP for professional architects /engineers just like anything else: recommendations, value, flexibility all make for happy customers.
Good Luck!
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)