Your Favorite Suburb And Why (Chicago, Naperville: sale, rental, mortgage)

[Lookout Kid]

Originally Posted by otters21

Evergreen Park. It is still safe , affordable and decent for blue collar Joe and has decent access to public transit. If Elmwood Park can overcome it's issues ,it too would be worth an honorable mention.

I like this way of thinking. I'd add more blue collar suburbs to my list if I were more familiar with them, but nice blue collar suburbs are an endangered species in Chicago.

[deechee]

(in order)

Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Frankfort, Mokena, Tinley Park

Country Club Hills, Downer's Grove, Western Springs, Elgin, Hoffman Estates, and last but not least Orland Hills.

[noid_1985]

Originally Posted by Brisklaw.

Thanks to all of the Hispanic trash moving in, but it's diversity!

[deechee]

Originally Posted by noid_1985

That guy'll be banned soon, if he isn't already

[knat_2]

Originally Posted by deechee

(in order)

Flossmoor, Homewood, Olympia Fields, Frankfort, Mokena, Tinley Park

Country Club Hills, Downer's Grove, Western Springs, Elgin, Hoffman Estates, and last but not least Orland Hills.

Why do you like Orland Hills so much? Besides its tax rate is like 50% of its neighbors...

[cubssoxfan]

Originally Posted by Brisklaw.

Thanks to all of the Hispanic trash moving in, but it's diversity!

Thanks for the profound, racist & totally unhelpful addition to the thread

[otters21]

Originally Posted by deechee

That guy'll be banned soon, if he isn't already

I personally don't have an issue with Hispanics as long as they are decent. willing to work hard and want a chance and many if not most are like that. Its the thuggish criminal and gangbanging element that move in and take over Chicagoland blue collar neighborhoods and bring in their drugs, shootings and crime . They are the ones who cause decline and white and/or middle class flight. Blue collar Joe just keeps getting forced to move further and further out to areas where you have to drive everywhere and mass transit is almost non existant. It is too expensive to live in those areas with the cost of upkeep on a vehicle ( think car payments,insurance, maintainance and gas etc.) In those areas there is no way a family could get away with owning just one car. In most cases the wife has to work fulltime as well as the husband just to make ends meet and most likely she is going to need her own vehicle to get to her job. Poor blue collar Joe just keeps running out of safe affordable options of places to live that are walkable with good access to mass transit and it is getting to be a crisis in not just Chicago ,but all over the country. Will it ever end ( the rampant decline , rise in crime and the White and/or middle class flight) ? Section 8 is one of the major factors in this crisis and it has done nothing positive ,but has caused decline in our neighborhoods. It is a scourge IMHO.

[BRU67]

Well, it’s kind of a two way street. If blue collar Joe doesn’t flee an area en mass, and stands up to the negative behaviors, and works within the community for improvements, then it won’t be taken over by these elements. Also, some are pretty quick to make snap judgments and move on, motivated by prejudices and irrational behavior, often leaving well before any substantial problems crop up. Then a decline sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not unsympathetic to the situation but it’s a pretty complex issue that isn’t as black and white as you think.

We probably need to sit down and figure it out at some point. In addition to the sociological problems this is causing, it’s really taking its toll on the environment -- lost farmland, wasted trees and other resources to build unnecessary new houses, and, of course, increased dependence on foreign crude. We’ve also created pockets of self-perpetuating poverty and poorly-educated citizens who will not help our nation compete in the 21st and 22nd Century global economy.

[Yvonne1207]

Originally Posted by Lookout Kid

Honorable mention: Arlington Heights,

What do you like about AH? (we are in the "thinking stages" of relocating and I'm just browsing here )

[otters21]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Well, it’s kind of a two way street. If blue collar Joe doesn’t flee an area en mass, and stands up to the negative behaviors, and works within the community for improvements, then it won’t be taken over by these elements. Also, some are pretty quick to make snap judgments and move on, motivated by prejudices and irrational behavior, often leaving well before any substantial problems crop up. Then a decline sort of becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Not unsympathetic to the situation but it’s a pretty complex issue that isn’t as black and white as you think.

We probably need to sit down and figure it out at some point. In addition to the sociological problems this is causing, it’s really taking its toll on the environment -- lost farmland, wasted trees and other resources to build unnecessary new houses, and, of course, increased dependence on foreign crude. We’ve also created pockets of self-perpetuating poverty and poorly-educated citizens who will not help our nation compete in the 21st and 22nd Century global economy.

you have hit that right on the nail. I agree with you 100%. There needs to be ZERO tolerance for the trash that that ruins hardworking blue collar communities. Packing up and fleeing further out is not the answer. Because of increased dependence on the car, loss of farmland and other resources , no wonder prices skyrocket and and it is getting unaffordable for everyone except for the rich to live. It also seems that this ghetto thug lifestyle is glorified by the media " Its cool to be a gangsta" and our youth is eating that up. It has to come to a point where blue collar Joe is going to say"enough's enough " and finally stand up and do something about keeping the communities intact and safe. He needs to realize that packing and fleeing is going to empty out his wallet faster, because prices are high and they are not going to stop rising.