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Old 01-07-2011, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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It's the real estate prices that make Chicago a comparitive bargain, without a doubt.

But for what it's worth newyorkobserveher, I wouldn't bet money that the rise in income tax is a temporary measure -- things like that have a way of becoming permanent. The state's gotta raise revenue somehow, and they're running out of things to privatize. The 3% flat income tax was one of the few low tax things about Chicago.
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Old 01-07-2011, 03:46 PM
 
Location: Berwyn, IL
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Hi troll. Nice name.
11.5% sales tax, huh? From which place did that number come? Maybe they gives trolls the special 1.75% extra "troll tax."


And yes, the new income tax (when passed) will not be temporary. I'll eat my words if it turns out to be. It still is better for me here than in Mass., NY or CA, though.
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Old 01-07-2011, 09:08 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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11.5% sales tax, huh? From which place did that number come? Maybe they gives trolls the special 1.75% extra "troll tax."


And yes, the new income tax (when passed) will not be temporary. I'll eat my words if it turns out to be. It still is better for me here than in Mass., NY or CA, though.
Yes they have to pay that tax at the IL highway booths, otherwise known as the the Troll Toll.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:39 PM
 
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Is this a real question? Can two people live on $120K in a rented one bedroom?

Look up some rents and do the math!
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:44 PM
 
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Hipsters spread like the plague, they come in unstoppable massive hordes of rent razing gentrification.


and oh how about 2 months ago (im on vacay so i'll be back soon)
Yeah, keeps it real in West Logan Square!!!

Are you crazy?

If anything with the economic crash places like Logan Square are in danger of losing whatever investments were made before 2007.

And don't act like it used to be "cooler" back in the day unless you're a poor Puerto Rican because those are the only people who lived in that neighborhood from the 80s-2000s and many if not most of them would tell you it was a nasty place.
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Old 01-08-2011, 01:43 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Is this a real question? Can two people live on $120K in a rented one bedroom?

Look up some rents and do the math!
Read the whole thread.

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So it's entirely feasible for TWO people to live comfortably on 60k a year? I can't even believe that!

NY really makes you jaded. Such a pity you can't be middle class here anymore...
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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I was responding to the initial question. Why would I read the whole thread.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:12 AM
 
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You don't find the idea of people complaining about gentrification in Logan Square a little funny?

I know a guy who grew up there in the 80s-90s and have listened to him talk about it extensively and it was a very, very rough neighborhood, with gangs, drugs and crime in general running rampant.

So yeah I find the idea of people bitching about Starbucks moving in ludicrous.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:21 AM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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You don't find the idea of people complaining about gentrification in Logan Square a little funny?

I know a guy who grew up there in the 80s-90s and have listened to him talk about it extensively and it was a very, very rough neighborhood, with gangs, drugs and crime in general running rampant.

So yeah I find the idea of people bitching about Starbucks moving in ludicrous.
I don't think they are bitching about anybody moving in, Starbucks yes... If you want to call them hipsters, OK. But real hipsters I almost guarantee you won't be caught drinking starbucks and prefer local coffee shops. Starbucks can effectively move in, take a loss for a decade, get passers by, get customers where the other shops won't stay open so late b/c they are trying to make a living, etc.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Well this kid in particular had a great deal of resentment because people "like him"--blue collar and working poor whites--were essentially pushed out of the neighborhood by hispanics. They also felt that they lost their neighborhood. And from a kid's point of view, at least to hear him tell it, it wasn't all Rainbow Coalition: Puerto Rican gangs bullied him out of high school, and, yes, it was because he was white.

So he in particular was actually looking forward to the yuppies forcing out the people who had forced him out.

But that was just one guy's take.
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