Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Illinois > Chicago
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-31-2011, 11:37 AM
 
21 posts, read 31,992 times
Reputation: 22

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by chet everett View Post
Not so much that I don't like Chicago, as I really do enjoy working in the loop, as well as taking in the dining and entertainment options throughout the city. It irks me to no end when folks gloss over how horrorifically difficult CPS makes it for those who are contemplating relocating to Chicago, the huge number of highly dysfunctional schools doing a miserable job of preparing students for the realities of life beyond school, and the unconcensionable waste of lives that go along with crime that is a by product of failed education.
I suspect some suburbs are racing toward non- performance that is every bit as galling as that of CPS and when people bring up those 'burbs as "low priced alternatives" I generally rally just as strong against putting up with the corruption and dysfunction in those areas.

I find it curious that people would rather question my motives than offer evidence to suggest that what I say about dysfunction and Byzantine methods of schools selection are doing anything other than perpetuating the mess...
This is a very broad stroke, generalization of the CPS system and its performance. CPS has problems but you cant blame them for everything that is wrong. There are plenty of success stories that come out of CPS schools. All you're doing is ranting.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-31-2011, 11:48 AM
 
Location: alt reality
1,085 posts, read 2,227,456 times
Reputation: 937
Quote:
Originally Posted by patshuca View Post
Yes it is about CHOICE. You can choose who you work for and the job profession you are in. If you don't like the job requirements of a city employee or have difficulty meeting them, you're more than welcome to work for someone else or pursue another line of work.

The residency requirements are there for a simple reason - it requires those people who are being payed by the City of Chicago to personally invest and support the city. As a city taxpayer - out of my own self interest - I fully support this principle. If you don't like the terms of employment, feel free to quit and leave so someone who really wants the job can get it and save us the drama.
That's what I've always wondered. Why are they still here taking up space when there are plenty of suburbs that they can go be cops in, move out of the city and be merry? Not to mention it should be less stressful right?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:06 PM
 
14,800 posts, read 17,583,283 times
Reputation: 9245
Quote:
Originally Posted by ParkerP View Post
That's what I've always wondered. Why are they still here taking up space when there are plenty of suburbs that they can go be cops in, move out of the city and be merry? Not to mention it should be less stressful right?
Ding, ding, ding!

We have a winner!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
12,063 posts, read 31,506,653 times
Reputation: 3798
Quote:
Originally Posted by patshuca View Post
The residency requirements are there for a simple reason - it requires those people who are being payed by the City of Chicago to personally invest and support the city.
I'm a pretty live-and-let-live lady, and, as a rule, I very much dislike the govment gettin' all up in my bizness, so there's a very real part of me who dislikes such restrictions, but this is the clear argument for the regulation, and it makes sense.

The suburbs have done everything they can for the last 70 years to lure residents and businesses away from the city. We've got to compete somehow!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2011, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago
38,707 posts, read 102,817,074 times
Reputation: 29967
Quote:
Originally Posted by patshuca View Post
The residency requirements are there for a simple reason - it requires those people who are being payed by the City of Chicago to personally invest and support the city . . .
And that fact that it helps to maintain the political machine's patronage army in the face of all attempts to dismantle it is just a coincidence, I'm sure.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2011, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Jefferson Park Chicago, IL
537 posts, read 1,030,145 times
Reputation: 307
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drover View Post
And that fact that it helps to maintain the political machine's patronage army in the face of all attempts to dismantle it is just a coincidence, I'm sure.
How so? I don't see a connection between where employees live and the amount of patronage/corruption/etc in city government.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2011, 04:27 AM
 
Location: Chicago
4,085 posts, read 4,307,885 times
Reputation: 688
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drover View Post
And that fact that it helps to maintain the political machine's patronage army in the face of all attempts to dismantle it is just a coincidence, I'm sure.
Shhh. Don't let Manigault hear you. The machine no longer exists according to him.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2011, 09:48 AM
 
21 posts, read 31,992 times
Reputation: 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by Drover View Post
And that fact that it helps to maintain the political machine's patronage army in the face of all attempts to dismantle it is just a coincidence, I'm sure.
It would exist regardless where city employees live. Welcome to Chicago.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2011, 10:12 AM
 
28,455 posts, read 85,033,597 times
Reputation: 18725
Default Unlikely...

Quote:
Originally Posted by patshuca View Post
It would exist regardless where city employees live. Welcome to Chicago.
I have to disagree. In my direct experience the older principals who may have lived in Oak Park, Evanston, Oak Lawn or Wilmette were far less likely to worry about some political fall out from getting an under performing student or teacher to transfer to another school than those principals that would have to worry about some political connected repercussions.

Similarly the kind of hyjinks that are allowed in the current Teamsters contract where city workers that drive a piece of equip to a work site can then spend all day with the empty truck are not "doing nothing" but reinforcing the value of being connected to a politically powerful union that routinely muscles out votes for elections in city, county, state or national elections. The tolerance, if not endorsement, of such activity is one of those things that would not happen if the positions truly went to the "most qualified" individual instead of "the most connected".

Would those connections be reinforced if the committeemen / ward boses were not grossly over represented on the payrolls of the City & County?

Given that no other municipality in the region has these kinds of rules and these rules lead directly to NOT a nice stabilizing distribution of professional city workers living through out the various wards but a bizarre concentration of "clout hotspots" on the borders of the city it is pretty clear that the Aldermen on the fringes are dancing to the drumbeat of their captive union supporters.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-01-2011, 04:48 PM
 
11,531 posts, read 10,259,877 times
Reputation: 3580
Quote:
Originally Posted by chet everett View Post
Not so much that I don't like Chicago, as I really do enjoy working in the loop, as well as taking in the dining and entertainment options throughout the city. It irks me to no end when folks gloss over how horrorifically difficult CPS makes it for those who are contemplating relocating to Chicago, the huge number of highly dysfunctional schools doing a miserable job of preparing students for the realities of life beyond school, and the unconcensionable waste of lives that go along with crime that is a by product of failed education.

I find it curious that people would rather question my motives than offer evidence to suggest that what I say about dysfunction and Byzantine methods of schools selection are doing anything other than perpetuating the mess...
I find it equally curious that people who say that the only qualities Chicago has is the loop and it's dining and nightlife. You don't care much for Chicago as a place to live, yet you come on the Chicago forum to post. Why? Are you here to steer viewers to your precious suburbs and save them from the hell of Chicago living? Thanks, but no thanks.

I'll take Chicago, with all it's flaws: crime, crappy schools, etc.. over cultural wasteland suburbia.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > Illinois > Chicago
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top