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Old 06-29-2011, 01:05 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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It's hard to be romantic when you're butchering hogs, stacking wheat and playing with railroads.
True enough, but I haven't seen anyone around here doing those things in at least a few years now.

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Old 06-29-2011, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Tex asks a lot of questions.
Good for him! It's always healthy to question things, and not merely accept the status quo. That's what overcomes stagnation and makes for progress in the long run.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:10 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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Me thinks someone has the grass is greener on the other side syndrome.
What's wrong with that? Sometimes the grass really is greener.
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Old 06-29-2011, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH USA / formerly Chicago for 20 years
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We're a people who are very, very hard working. We're always trying to get from Point A to Point B as quickly as possible. As for the Younger Coldwine, she didn't have the time or the interest for romance. Her love life had an agenda and it was GO GO GO!
Ah, yes... The "Life Should Be Reduced To A Mere Rat Race" philosophy. Personally, I find that outlook sad and cold and limiting and one-dimensional and I want something more spiritually fulfilling than that. If so-called "romance" is something that helps me get there, I'm all for it.

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Also, I find the idea of romance to be fundamentally stupid. Romance is in every way the notion that the rules of life change suddenly, or that life becomes different in some manner or (and this is what bothers me the most) that you should somehow feel differently just because you're being treated "romantically". It's almost like grown up make believe, and I was far too pragmatic a person to buy into that nonsense.
Bah. One needs a little "make believe"... it's what separates us from the animals.


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My husband is a Europeanized Brazilian, and he despairs of me ever learning to appreciate romance. I just want him to stop calling me a dozen times every goddamn day, and if I ever find rose petals on my floor again I'm going to strangle him to death.
Good lord... Do you know how many women would kill to be in your position?
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:01 AM
 
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True enough, but I haven't seen anyone around here doing those things in at least a few years now.
We still play with railroads!
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Cardboard box
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What's wrong with that? Sometimes the grass really is greener.
I've been all over the globe. The grass is rarely greener... usually compared to Chicago, the grass is not even there. It's just dirt.
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Old 06-29-2011, 06:44 AM
 
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"True love is your soul's recognition of its counterpoint in another"

How's that for romantic
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Tower Grove East, St. Louis, MO
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My husband is a Europeanized Brazilian, and he despairs of me ever learning to appreciate romance. I just want him to stop calling me a dozen times every goddamn day, and if I ever find rose petals on my floor again I'm going to strangle him to death.

What I mean is exactly what others are saying: that in the very limited and stereotypical way in which this writer defines romance Chicagoans, and midwesterners in general, aren't so much into that.

A pub crawl with my SO sounds, to me, like a fantastic way to spend a day with the one nearest and dearest to your heart and I think a lot of people here would agree with you. I also think there are places where that opinion would be far more in the minority.

And coldwine, I'm with ya. Staying in contact is nice, but the rose petals thing? Definitely not my style either.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:17 AM
 
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What do you all think of this? Do you agree?

Here is the URL: Are Chicagoans really not romantic? Hint: yes - Chicago magazine - February 2010 - Chicago

Are Chicagoans really not romantic? Hint: yes
Tough Love: For many Chicagoans, romance doesn't come easy. That's mainly because they don't find anything romantic.
By Jeff Ruby



Once upon a time, a young woman and her boyfriend attended a crowded Saturday early showing of The Treasure of the Sierra Madre at the Music Box. When the lights dimmed, the boyfriend’s face appeared on the screen, giving the real-life boyfriend a pep talk about proposing marriage. The woman was floored. Then, emboldened by his recorded self, the boyfriend stood up next to her and did it in person, ring and all. She said yes, the crowd went nuts, and they all lived happily ever after.

This lovely story seems to contradict the curious perception that Chicagoans are not a particularly romantic people, a stereotype fed over the years by hard-nosed writers like Royko and Algren, no-nonsense athletes like Butkus and Ditka, and my in-laws who always forgot their anniversary. Frankly, the idea that the entire population of a city could be unromantic has long struck me as preposterous, insulting, and, after conducting a recent informal survey, 100 percent true. “Chicagoans are mostly working-class folks. We don’t mess around with frivolous crap like romance,” one respondent grumbled. The words “tough” and “pragmatic” came up repeatedly; one killjoy simply said we’re “too tired and too cold” for romance. (OK, that was my wife, last night.)

What do ordinary Chicagoans find romantic? Couldn’t say. But on the eve of Valentine’s Day, I found out what we consider unromantic.

Poetry. Regardless of age, gender, or sexual orientation, the idea of reading verse aloud was met with universal repulsion. Replies ranged from “invasive” to “onanistic” to “makes me feel stupid” to “dorksville.” “Poetry is anti-romantic,” said one respondent. “You write me poetry, and I’m dumping you.”

Flowers. “If I have to, I buy my flowers at Costco,” said the representative male. “You get the most and they’re the cheapest.” A representative female: “If it’s a symbol of love, your love for me is going to die in a week. Thanks.” An alarming number of respondents associated flowers with Mayor Daley, a.k.a. the Least Romantic Person on Earth. (“He has ruined flowers, airports, and wrought iron for everyone.”)

Restaurants. “Restaurants are not romantic, and if they try to be, then they’re just icky,” said one respondent. Case in point: Geja’s Caf√©, Lincoln Park’s fusty pre-prom fondue lair. (“How on earth is eating from a vat of melted cheese, followed by a vat of oil, followed by a vat of chocolate, in any way romantic? Unless your idea of sexy is bloating and flatulence.”)

Snowstorms. Rather than cozy scenes of canoodling before a crackling fireplace, snowstorms conjured up images of snowplows, parking headaches, and a slow commute. “Snowstorms can be romantic, but not the slushy rain-snow,” one respondent explained. “And that’s what we’ve got.”

Views. Considering the number of respondents slamming the Signature Room on the John Hancock Center’s 95th floor, it’s safe to say Chicagoans are not seduced by sweeping vistas and twinkly lights. “What’s romantic about a view?” summed up a respondent. “I didn’t make the scene beautiful for her.”

Sunsets and ice-skating also got disparaged, and candles were rebuffed as too dangerous. One married couple declared that nothing could be called intrinsically romantic, at which point I got so depressed, there was only one thing left to do.

“Chicago is a fast-paced, hard-working town,” said Mrs. Music Box Proposal, now 47 and living with Mr. Music Box Proposal and their child in Andersonville. “That leaves little time for appreciating the finer things in life—or even in each other.” Huh. When I mentioned the magical proposal, Mr. Music Box said he wasn’t the same romantic spirit he had been, then mumbled something about being late for a bachelor party in Joliet. With that, my survey ended. Because if anything embodies the opposite of romance better than a bachelor party in Joliet, humans haven’t discovered it yet.
That's just one of those stupid fluff pieces they throw together when they're bored - it doesn't really mean anything as far as actual Chicagoans being actually romantic any more than you can babble out crap about every city. Oh the beaches in LA are beautiful? Not when you have to drive through an hour of traffic to get there. On the hills are romantic in Orange County? Not when they're on fire. Oh Central Park is romantic? Not when it's 19 degrees and windy. Oh the French Quarter is romantic? Not when some dude just barfed on your wife's shoes. Oh the Florida beaches are romantic at sunset? Not when there's an oil spill and bugs just ate your right hand. Oh how I love a fancy dinner in Vegas. Not when you walk out and see overweight people smoking and can only hear screaming slot machines.

Romance is what you make out of it. When I saw romance I immediately thought of beautiful flowers which I'm randomly a kicker for, laying on my BF's couch on the 45th floor with the TV and lights shut off gazing out over downtown and sitting snug on a couch facing out towards a heavy snowfall. Then I read the article and those are two things he ended up blasting! Haha.
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Old 06-29-2011, 09:10 AM
 
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That's just one of those stupid fluff pieces they throw together when they're bored - it doesn't really mean anything as far as actual Chicagoans being actually romantic any more than you can babble out crap about every city. Oh the beaches in LA are beautiful? Not when you have to drive through an hour of traffic to get there. On the hills are romantic in Orange County? Not when they're on fire. Oh Central Park is romantic? Not when it's 19 degrees and windy. Oh the French Quarter is romantic? Not when some dude just barfed on your wife's shoes. Oh the Florida beaches are romantic at sunset? Not when there's an oil spill and bugs just ate your right hand. Oh how I love a fancy dinner in Vegas. Not when you walk out and see overweight people smoking and can only hear screaming slot machines.

Romance is what you make out of it. When I saw romance I immediately thought of beautiful flowers which I'm randomly a kicker for, laying on my BF's couch on the 45th floor with the TV and lights shut off gazing out over downtown and sitting snug on a couch facing out towards a heavy snowfall. Then I read the article and those are two things he ended up blasting! Haha.
You made so great points.

But heres how I see it. And this is just me, and the way my mind works, and the way my personality is . . .

The very fact that those places you mentioned PROMOTE the image of their amenities, whether that be beaches, hills, fancy, dinners, parks, quaint historic areas, etc. as being romantic . . . allows be to see past the fact that things are not always perfect in those places, whether that be traffic, brushfires, oil spills, drunk people, bugs, obnoxious people,

because one can always work around the fact that by timing your trip to the off season, studying the traffic patterns, go when it is less buggy, don't go during hurricane season, wildfire season, etc. etc. Thats absolutely fine.

But like others mentioned, Chicagoans, and maybe midwesterners in general almost take pride in their pragmatism, fast pace, no time for romance. Its not that Chicago doesn't have romantic potential, its really more that they take pride in the fact that a bar crawl after a ball game is romantic. And, it very well maybe. Its the actual atmosphere, where it is almost discouraged as evidence by some of the posts here.
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