08-16-2007, 08:20 PM
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Hello -- My husband and I grew up in a western suburb of Chicago and have lived in the Phoenix area for more than twenty years, so we have knowledge of both metro areas. Chicago is a great city with many wonderful people and Phoenix is too. It takes involvement and effort to make friends; you can make friends anywhere. I don't believe traffic is any worse in Chicago with respect to traffic jams. You will, however, find you will need to allow more time for a commute to and from a job in the winter months in the Chicago area due to ice and snow on the roads. And if you a homeowner, or a renter who is required to shovel the snow as part of a lease agreement, this will take extra time --- sometimes both in the morning before you leave for work and also in the evening when you get home. You also will need to allow extra time to warm up your car before you can drive it, and perhaps to scrape ice off the windshield at the end of the day. These things add extra time to the daily commute in the winter. Living where you can take public transportation is a wonderful idea -- it can save you thousands of dollars over the years if you live near and use public transportation, either the train or the bus. One thing a previous poster failed to mention was the monthly cost of a METRA ticket -- it could be between $75 and $116.00 a month, plus possible cost of parking at the train station or bus fare to and from the station, possibly at both ends. And the cost of housing is more; like the Phoenix area, housing is cheaper in the outer suburbs. However, just like in Phoenix, transportation and time costs added on to the cost of the lower priced home way out of town can add up quickly. Property taxes are more than double the price in Phoenix, but you are paying for more services (like snow plowing) and may be paying for union wages and retirement. Keep in mind that buying property in a county island (vs inside a particular city's limits) may bring cheaper taxes but you also may get less in services, such as snow plowing, fire protection, and access to a public library [it is the same way here in Maricopa County except no snow!]One thing we really miss about the Chicago area: on the 4th of July, folks are proud to fly the American flag on their homes. Here in the Phoenix area, we notice that a much smaller % of people take the trouble to fly the American flag on holidays. The Midwest is a bit more traditional, I think. Chicago is a great city -- lots of fun things to do. The secret is being able to keep up with the high cost of living and then having money left over for fun activities. Try the Forest Preserves - they are free and wonderful.
08-16-2007, 09:32 PM
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One thing a previous poster failed to mention was the monthly cost of a METRA ticket -- it could be between $75 and $116.00 a month, plus possible cost of parking at the train station or bus fare to and from the station, possibly at both ends.
I take Metra every single day. I pay $58 a month for an unlimited ride ticket (zone B). now tell me what i would pay in gas, car maintenance, downtown daily parking, wasted time, and aggravation by driving. Altogether, its around 20 minutes for me to get to the Loop (and thats with 3 other stop. if i catch a direct train its 12 minutes). I walk 2 blocks from my house to the station. Public transit is a no brainer. If I never have to own a car, I would be content.
08-17-2007, 05:54 AM
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One thing a previous poster failed to mention was the monthly cost of a METRA ticket -- it could be between $75 and $116.00 a month, plus possible cost of parking at the train station or bus fare to and from the station, possibly at both ends.
I'm going to guess the OP didn't assume public transportation is free. $115/mo plus a few bucks parking is still a bargain compared to the $250-300/mo it costs to park downtown, plus the $100+ in gas you'll burn through each month (unless we see a significant drop in gas prices), plus the accelerated depreciation on your car, plus the more frequent maintenance intervals. Add all those up and what does it equal?
It equals Metra trains packed to the gills with commuters who have also done the math.
08-17-2007, 06:58 AM
Location: Suburbs of Chicago
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the weather! Buy your heavy coats ahead of time-- you wont find a big selection in January trust me-- I moved from the sunbelt to to Chicago 10 yrs ago. Get ready for days that 20 degrees is the high!-- People go to work on snow days even if there is 6-8 inches of snow coming down-- find a community to live in that has good METRA rail, "L," or bus transportation-- You wont want to be driving on those days! Be prepared to pay at least double in housing and at least 30-50 cents more for gasoline. Those are the big bites!
08-20-2007, 08:19 PM
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Drover no I did not assume public transportation is free. Hollyhockgarden well all of that stuff you wrote was also good info. Iam a native of AZ and went to Chicago every year to visit family and what you said at the bottom is exactly what attracts me to Chicago I love the tradition and there is always something to do and that is what I want my kids to have growing up. I figure when I retire then it will be about me but right now I want the best place for my kids and I want them to have the best opportunities. jrandolph Iam fine with 20 degree weather its winter time it is suppose to be cold. Im sure by April I would need a break but then its Spring Break and I would probably take a vacation to AZ so the kids can see the Grandparents.
08-22-2007, 03:15 PM
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Also get used to a general lack of sunshine from mid December thru March. We're sitting between the Rockies and the Appalachians so we're sort of in a bowl. The clouds sit over us for quite a few days in winter.
But...that's a great time to catch up on movies, check out restaurants that don't have patios in summer, museums, and theater.
As everyone has posted, public transit in Chicago, while not perfect, is very good. You'll be able to ditch the car for most trips if you live inside the city limits and for trips downtown if you live in a Metra-serviced suburb.
Also get used to everyone out in shorts and sandals in April
We love our summers here in the Midwest and especially in Chicago. We can't wait for the first 40degree day! The convertibles come out and the sandals go on. I'm totally serious here. And we try to find a bar or restaurant that will let us sit outside before the typical May 1st patio licenses go into effect.
Farmer's markets in most communities (inc the city) begin mid-to-late June and last until mid-October. They are a summertime treat and full of amazing things.
You and your children will find plenty of cultural things to do in Chicago and out beyond. The Midwest in general is very family-centric but still a good place for singles as well so you get a nice mix. Don't forget long weekend trips to nearby Milwaukee, Harbor Country Michigan, Springfield, Wisconsin Dells, and apple, corn, strawberry picking.
08-22-2007, 06:26 PM
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All the above posts are pretty much right on target. Via Chicago, especially summed it up well. I love Chicago, but moved back west due to job reasons, (but I love the west, as well!).
I would add that drivers are not that bad in Chicago. Yes, it is congested, but I think east coast, namely Boston, NY, Philly, and Miami drivers are much ruder.
The food. Absolutely the best in the U.S. One good result in moving away has been a drop of about 15 pounds!
You will be trading heat for humidity, but even the humidity is not constant, usually with a break after a few days. Winters? The two that I spent there were not all that bad, but I understand they can be. And just when you think Spring has sprung, winter returns.
My favorite memory of Chicago is flying into O'Hare and just amazed at how big the area really is, spreading out in all directions for what seems to be an endless metro area. Impressive, to say the least.
08-22-2007, 07:09 PM
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My favorite memory of Chicago is flying into O'Hare and just amazed at how big the area really is, spreading out in all directions for what seems to be an endless metro area. Impressive, to say the least.
You mean like this?
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9329/58840644687e0341c6bph0.jpg (broken link)
08-22-2007, 08:46 PM
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Yes, like that. But at night you lose a little perspective. Flying in during the daytime is even more impressive because you see details. I'm sorry, but flying into O'Hare anytime of day or night, any type of weather, is a rush! Thanks for the photos though...
08-28-2007, 09:00 PM
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Also get used to everyone out in shorts and sandals in April
We love our summers here in the Midwest and especially in Chicago. We can't wait for the first 40degree day! The convertibles come out and the sandals go on. I'm totally serious here. And we try to find a bar or restaurant that will let us sit outside before the typical May 1st patio licenses go into effect.
...
One of my favorite things is how when we have our first 40 degree day after summer, it feels so cold, you're just freezing. Then, when we have our first 40 degree day after winter (though it can hit 40 even in January) it feels so warm out you're wearing shorts. Amazing how your perspective changes, depending on whether you've just spent 3 months sweating through summer, or 6 month freezing through winter, and it's the same temperature!
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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