3 Towers, 1000 Housing Units Proposed at Former Children's Memorial (Chicago, Cicero: low income, theater)

[rparz]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

Better yet, don't include parking, or include very little, including some dedicated zip car/i-go spots.

Build them with parking garages and you just encourage more car dependency and more traffic.

It's already known as Lincoln (no)Park, and having an address is all you need to get the parking permit. They need to accommodate the cars that will be coming into the area. Ideally, you'll have people that move in yet leave their car parked most of the time.
My buddy has a car that's three years old, and hasn't even cracked 10,000 miles yet. That's the kind of people you want moving in there.

[jdiddy]

Originally Posted by rparz

It's already known as Lincoln (no)Park, and having an address is all you need to get the parking permit. They need to accommodate the cars that will be coming into the area. Ideally, you'll have people that move in yet leave their car parked most of the time.
My buddy has a car that's three years old, and hasn't even cracked 10,000 miles yet. That's the kind of people you want moving in there.

Right - if parking is a known issue, and off-street parking will not be available, you will be less likely to attract tenants/owners who require frequent car use.

[rparz]

Originally Posted by jdiddy

Right - if parking is a known issue, and off-street parking will not be available, you will be less likely to attract tenants/owners who require frequent car use.

Seriously, stop and re-read what you just wrote.

Now, think about how you're making an assumption that the people that want to pack in to Lincoln Park and pay premium prices to live there possess some modicum of common sense.


Besides, I think the city has a zoning law that requires a certain amount of parking to be with any residential along with some commercial space.

[emathias]

Originally Posted by rparz

It's already known as Lincoln (no)Park, and having an address is all you need to get the parking permit. They need to accommodate the cars that will be coming into the area. Ideally, you'll have people that move in yet leave their car parked most of the time.
My buddy has a car that's three years old, and hasn't even cracked 10,000 miles yet. That's the kind of people you want moving in there.

I think that ideally you want people like me, who don't own a car and use Zipcar for the occasional local trip, rent a car from a regular car rental place for longer needs, and use the savings for something productive instead of applying it to a sunk, barely-used thing and (relatively expensive) storage space. At a minimum your friend's per-mile cost for that car is grossly higher than the alternatives and that's money that is pure, unadulterated economic waste. Cities shouldn't encourage wasteful practice. They shouldn't necessarily outlaw it, but only stupid cities go out of their way to enable waste.

Just imagine if Chicago said, "Rich people enjoy long, hot showers, so let's require that all new units have 100-gallon hot water heaters" - people would be in an uproar about that, it would be seen as stupid and wasteful and anti-market. But that's EXACTLY what the city does when it requires parking minimums.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by emathias

I think that ideally you want people like me, who don't own a car and use Zipcar for the occasional local trip, rent a car from a regular car rental place for longer needs, and use the savings for something productive instead of applying it to a sunk, barely-used thing and (relatively expensive) storage space. At a minimum your friend's per-mile cost for that car is grossly higher than the alternatives and that's money that is pure, unadulterated economic waste. Cities shouldn't encourage wasteful practice. They shouldn't necessarily outlaw it, but only stupid cities go out of their way to enable waste.

Exactly. I think someone, maybe Chet, pointed out something that oh you need to get away from thinking everyone in Lincoln Park has jobs in the Loop or somewhere near and there's many people who commute to suburbs, etc. You know what? I disagree. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that the majority of Lincoln Park residents who work or go to school do so either in the area, or with fairly short public transit ride. I'm sure there are some people who actually drive to jobs in the burbs, and others who use CTA to get to the Metra to do so or even walk there (i.e. near the Clybourn station) but they're definitely in the minority for that area.

[rparz]

That's too difficult when you want a car for the odd weekend to visit your parents in Iowa.

[marothisu]

Originally Posted by rparz

That's too difficult when you want a car for the odd weekend to visit your parents in Iowa.

Really? Rent a car. Let's see. Pretend you visit parents in Iowa 6 weekends a year. Pretty sure that's much less expensive than paying for insurance and gas every month. I went to a wedding in Iowa last month and rented a car for 3 days. Rental cost me $80, and gas was maybe another $80 round trip. $160 total. Pretend now my insurance for car is $80/month and i pay $30/month for gas. $110/month * 12 = $1320/year. Pretend I rent a car 6 times like above. 6*160 = $960. I just saved myself $360 and that's not even including any parking in town for the example before about just owning a car to go to your parents on random weekends. Savings total is probably closer or over $400/year in this case.

[rparz]

Logic and reason have no bearing in this discussion.

You can easily see that during the winter when after a snow there's cars parked in Lincoln park that is obvious it's been at least a week since they've last moved.
That's the prevailing thought process there.

Let's not hope for the best, then get screwed because people act in the same way they've been.

[prairiestate]

Originally Posted by marothisu

Totally. I actually don't understand why tons of people in that area have cars. I only truly understand if they have work far away that needs a car or drive out of town quite often. But you know, that's me. I am mostly for this though I think. Could be interesting. 1000 units would probably be semi affordable housing. I couldn't see them putting more very expensive places in there.

Well, the Lincoln Avenue bus has pretty limited hours. Also, the shopping along Clybourn is difficult at best to reach by public transit, since there is no bus line along Clybourn. Maybe some competent CTA management that took a good look at the bus routes and improved service would get people to give up their cars.

[aragx6]

^Um, the red line?