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Old 09-15-2012, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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any college football (and college sports in general) fans out there?

I'm wondering what effect (if any), Notre Dame's membership in the ACC will have on the ties Chicago feels to the program.

Chicago, of course, geographically and even by fan interest, is the major metro area associated with Notre Dame.

ND's contract with the league sets up 5 non-conference games for Notre Dame each year with the ACC. Those games put a dent in ND's traditional rival relationship with the midwest. No longer will Purdue, U-M and MSU automatically appear on the Irish schedule. It is also unlikely there will be the occasional games against B10 opponents...like the home and home series that ND has coming up with NU....to be scheduled.

In fact, it may appear from a scheduling perspective, ND is letting the B10 and the whole midwest know where they can go.

The ACC is now a whole east coast conference and ND seems to be throwing in its lot with the region in a way that never occurred with its Big East relationship (which had no effect on football and in b'ball put the Irish in the same conference with DePaul, Marquetee, etc.)

Everyone seems to think that this ACC arrangement is a sweetheart deal for ND. and perhaps it is. But there a number of flaws in it, one of the major being the school's relationship with the midwest region and Chicagoland as a metro area.

any thoughts if this move will have an effect here or not?
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:50 PM
 
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I doubt that there will be much of a difference. ND football will continue to play Purdue, MSU, and Michigan most years, with maybe a two-on, one-off arrangement for each team (which means two out of the three each year). I can't imagine a Chicagoland fan switching allegiance on the basis of the conference move. The change to the basketball (and other sports) schedules is more significant from the Chicago perspective, but that depends on whether or not the Big East survives in its current form... for all we know, DePaul and Marquette might be exiting as well in the near future.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:10 AM
 
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First, who can blame them for wanting to bail on an imploding conference? Second, you kinda have it backwards: ND didn't tell the Big Ten where to go, it was the other way around. ND wanted its football program to remain largely independent, and the Big Ten told them "you're either all the way in or all the way out." So ND struck a deal with a conference that let them keep the football program semi-independent. The football team will still get to play Big Ten teams each year, they'll still play USC, they'll still play Navy... not much changes for the football program.
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Old 09-17-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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"Notre Dame is moving to the Atlantic Coast Conference in almost every sport except football, where the Fighting Irish will maintain their status as an independent."

Notre Dame was already in the Big East. And it's midwest fans didn't seem to care.

Notre Dame doesn't want to join a football conf. and have to explain to their fans why they finished in 4th place. Notre Dame football hasn't been relevent in 15 yrs. And probably won't be anytime soon.
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Old 09-17-2012, 02:27 PM
 
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I really just wish that some of the Big East schools would merge for with A-10 to create and awesome basketball conference.

I mean could you imagine a new conference with Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier, St. John's, Dayton, etc. It would be a real basketball contendor. Why the hell they haven't done it yet is beyond me. The Big East is dying and the basketball schools need to save themselves!
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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The Catholic University Conference! Add Loyola, Detroit Mercy and St. Louis University to the list and you have most of the old Midwestern City Conference back again.
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Old 09-17-2012, 04:13 PM
 
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Notre Dame doesn't want to join a football conf. and have to explain to their fans why they finished in 4th place.
Or lower.
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:11 PM
 
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I really just wish that some of the Big East schools would merge for with A-10 to create and awesome basketball conference.

I mean could you imagine a new conference with Marquette, DePaul, Butler, Xavier, St. John's, Dayton, etc. It would be a real basketball contendor. Why the hell they haven't done it yet is beyond me. The Big East is dying and the basketball schools need to save themselves!
That is funny, because if you ask members of the Big East football schools, we blame the basketball schools for the state of the conference now.

Miami complained about their concerns about the BE conference years before they left, and they were ignored.

Had ND joined the BE as an official football member, it would have stabilized the BE conference. But they steadfastly refused, instead offering to play a certain number of BE opponents per year, which they never managed to do. We will see if they're held to their 5-games per year commitment in the ACC.

Did you know Syracuse was supposed to go along with Miami and BC, but the ACC and the Virginia legislature said "bring VT so we can have the UVA/VT "rivalry." So Syracuse wanted to leave way back then, but was snubbed.

After the initial ACC raid of the BE, the response was to add even more basketball schools, making the conference even less about football. Even though football brings in significantly more revenue. Nothing was done to stabilize football, so eventually we have the second ACC raid. The BE was always "reactionary" and never had any out of the box thinking. They should have put in place the BE East and BE West (with TCU, Utah, Boise, etc). That would have stabilized the BE. But they had too many basketball-only schools and couldn't enlarge the conference anymore in a workable manner.

My team will be gone from this disaster conference next year, so I don't really care what happens. But the BE football conference can't and won't survive much longer. And the B12 is right behind it.

The BE should have dropped the basketball-only schools, but that would never happen since the BE started as a basketball conference, and all the political power was in Providence. So instead it ill die a slow, drawn out death.
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Old 11-23-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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Notre Dame football hasn't been relevent in 15 yrs. And probably won't be anytime soon.

oops.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:10 PM
 
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Default Prognosticator's curse...

Wonder how many coaches & quarterbacks say a little thank-you to Al Campanis & Jimmy The Greek when they deposit their paychecks...


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oops.
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