Marijauna and Chicago (Ina, Alpha, Kappa: felony, school, universities)

[Chi-town Native]

Originally Posted by aragx6

That you had to find something studying ecstacy and marijuana when no one here even vaguely brought up X is telling.

I'm going to guess he didn't read past the first paragraph, if that.

What we need is an Internet browser filter that would prevent people from pasting links they haven't actually read.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by Sublime101

If that wasn't enough, the owner said it's pretty much a requirement to smoke weed to work.

Cool story, bro.

[jwaiter]

It's a long running story that PC's were developed by alcohol users, while Macs were developed by pot smokers. I don't know how true it is, probably it's more of a joke.

[ChiNaan]

Originally Posted by chet everett

I would prefer not to go to banks, law firms or hospitals where the staff is stoned. Care to divulge some identities?

If you honestly don't recognize the difference between recreational substance use and doing one's job under the influence, that would explain your warped perspective. Do you believe that if anyone who works at the banks, law firms, and hospitals you go to ever drinks alcohol on their down time, it means they're drunk at work?

Honestly, Chet, across many, many threads now, I can't tell if you're using strawman arguments as an intentional troll technique, or if your sense of logic is truly this flawed. Which is it?

And yes, I can divulge identities of the businesses where some of the employees use alcohol or cannabis recreationally: It's called nearly all of them.

[urza216]

Originally Posted by ChiNaan

If you honestly don't recognize the difference between recreational substance use and doing one's job under the influence, that would explain your warped perspective. Do you believe that if anyone who works at the banks, law firms, and hospitals you go to ever drinks alcohol on their down time, it means they're drunk at work?

Honestly, Chet, across many, many threads now, I can't tell if you're using strawman arguments as an intentional troll technique, or if your sense of logic is truly this flawed. Which is it?

And yes, I can divulge identities of the businesses where some of the employees use alcohol or cannabis recreationally: It's called nearly all of them.

As messed up as Chet's reasoning is, it's the same reasoning that has been used to justify drug testing in the workplace.

[chet everett]

Originally Posted by urza216

As messed up as Chet's reasoning is, it's the same reasoning that has been used to justify drug testing in the workplace.

The fact is that even so called "casual users" of marijauna are committing a CRIMINAL ACT by the mere possession of the stuff. That says A LOT about the degree to which they hold themselves apart from THE LAW.

Further while I can enjoy a finely crafted micro-brew or estate bottled wine for its own flavor and the interaction is has with food as they are after all beverages made from food stuffs themselves, the mindset and behavior of all habitial marijuana users reflect that fact that is an addictive DRUG that builds up in ones organs and alters the neurologic pathways of users.

It is no mere coincidence that the increased violence of drug dealing street gangs coincides with the more widespread acceptance of the abuse of an illegal drug from which they derive a signficant portion of their income and the thought that the one might be able to stem of this violence by adopting the sham of medical marijuana is a lie. The sad reality is that the powerful forces that havve grown rich with illegal marijuana already are far ahead of anyone trying to stay on the "right side" of the law in this new era of stupid lawlessness: Medical Marijuana: California's Biggest Losers

[urza216]

Originally Posted by chet everett

Further while I can enjoy a finely crafted micro-brew or estate bottled wine for its own flavor and the interaction is has with food as they are after all beverages made from food stuffs themselves, the mindset and behavior of all habitial marijuana users reflect that fact that is an addictive DRUG that builds up in ones organs and alters the neurologic pathways of users.

Alcohol is a more addictive drug than marjuana.

[IAmEverywhere]

Originally Posted by jwaiter

It's a long running story that PC's were developed by alcohol users, while Macs were developed by pot smokers. I don't know how true it is, probably it's more of a joke.

I don't do either. Must be why I use Linux.

And regarding Chet's comment, I wouldn't want to do business with a bank, law firm or hospital where the employees were under the influence of any psychoactive substance either.

Many IT and creative firms bill on an hourly basis. What if there was less productivity per hour because the person performing the contracted services was stoned? Or even just held back by the residual effects of having smoked pot the night before working? Or for that matter, simply hung over?

[aragx6]

Chet, what about towns with decriminalization in place (like Columbia, MO to use one example I'm familiar with) where possession of less than 35 grams is the same level of offense as a speeding ticket. Do you find those folks to be guilty of flouting the law in the same way? Is their offense somehow less egregious because they're not breaking the law any more than someone going 5 over?

[chet everett]

Look, there are hundreds of "high function" pot heads out there (probably on Ubuntu or some other hippy OS...) that put up sites that pretend to say that "xxxx is more addictive than marijuana" but ultimately that is stupid arguement. What matters is that marijuana use is addicitve / fosters a dependency both physiologically and in the psycho-emotional domain. That is a BAD thing.

I suppose it is a little like saying: "Which is worse, getting hit by a train carrying coal or an Amtrak ?" but the reality is my goal in reminding people of the harms of using any addictive substance is that willing STANDING IN ITS PATH OF DEVASTATION is gonna mess you up BUT GOOD and likely SPREAD AROUND SOME REALLY MESSY SPLATTER...

The facts regarding marijuana vs alcohol:

Originally Posted by urza216

Alcohol is a more addictive drug than marjuana.

Alcohol dependence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Fact is although 10% of the nation MAY at one point or another in their lives exhibit signs of "alcohol dependce" the RATE of true ADDICTION is not a problem -- The Dram, Volume 2(3) - Are Medications to Treat Alcohol Dependence Effective? - The Brief Addiction Science Information Source (BASIS)


Here is the graph that ought to be the wake-up call to the happy-go-lucky dopers that claim they don't want kids getting in on their party. Despite the fact that marijuana remains illegal for minors in all 50 states it is FAR AND AWAY the most common cause of minors being treated for addictions: Source: Marijuana addiction: MJ lobby vs. science | alcohol, tobacco and other drugs